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Truck to haul a tractor with.

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d-roadrunner

11-25-2003 14:16:33




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I plan to buy a truck and gooseneck trailer to haul my 4WD 45hp tractor and possible a small dozer. Any opinion about make, size and options would be greatly appreciated.

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d-roadrunner




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d-roadrunner

11-27-2003 17:36:35




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 Re: Truck to haul a tractor with. in reply to d-roadrunner, 11-25-2003 14:16:33  
Thanks for the information guys. I'm sorry I haven't got back to you, been over at ebay looking. I've decided to buy a 1 ton dually, make will depend on price. Have a good one.

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D.L.

11-25-2003 20:41:32




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 Re: Truck to haul a tractor with. in reply to d-roadrunner, 11-25-2003 14:16:33  
Hey D, My wife & I have a 37' 5th wheel travel trailer, a huge old steel 4 horse gooseneck, a 20' bumper pull flatbed trailer, and a big gooseneck flatbed trailer. Have pulled all sorts of loads & have NEVER had a problem pulling with our Ford F-550 4x4. We've even had the camping trailer (weighs in @ 14,000#) at the summit of a couple mountain passes in the Rockies and Cascades! Couldn't have done it in the 1 ton dually we traded in. I'm not sure why, but most people don't even look at the heavier trucks Ford builds. We have a utility box on ours (looks EXACTLY like the stock dually box Ford puts on the F-350's...made by an outfit in California) and with the overall size and configuration, looks like any other crew cab dually running around town. These trucks are available in ANY trim level (ours is a Lariat with AC/CD/leather etc) and cost only slightly more than a one-ton 4x4. We bought ours @ 6 months old with 11,000 miles on it and saved a ton of money. It's equipped with the Powerstroke diesel and Allison transmission... gets about the same mileage as any of my buddies running 3/4 and 1 tonners. I took it out to Ohio over the summer and got my best mileage since I've had the truck... 15.5 mpg. Not too bad from a truck that weighs 9,600#, can carry 8,000#, and can tow just about anything you can hitch it to. I've towed trailers with a variety of trucks over the years, and have done some things that weren't too smart. Like the time I had a load (truck, trailer and cargo) of 24,000# on my old Ford 1 ton dually. The trip was about 450 miles in the winter... everything was going pretty well until an antelope stepped out in front of me. I went to hit the brakes and realized there was nothing I could do... the brakes would probably have jacknifed me. Fortunately, the big buck just kept on walking... I missed him by inches. BUT, I learned a lot on that trip. I can get a load in motion with almost anything... even a Volkswagen. The trick is to keep the load safely under control. The problem with a truck too light for the load is that you get into a tail- wagging-the-dog situation. Doesn't matter if you're driving across the country, or across town... if your rig is unsafe and something goes wrong, you'll have an accident. On the bigger trucks, the engine & transmission, the steering & suspension, the frame, and the BRAKES are all designed to carry the heavier loads. Our 550 has 4 wheel anti-lock discs, a rear end that looks as if it could have come from a Kenworth, and heavy-duty everything. And it drives like a dream... looks pretty nice too! Anyways, if you're looking around, you might want to consider a 450 or 550... I see them on E-Bay all the time for reasonable prices. If you're considering a gooseneck trailer, I would recommend some sort of dually... tongue weights can get heavier than you realize, add that to the weight of the rear-end of the truck and you'll quickly exceed the weight rating on the TIRES on a single rear wheel model... the rear axle of our truck is rated to carry 14,000#... a 1 ton dually would come in somewhere around 10,000#, a 1 ton single rear wheel would come in somewhere around 5,000#... since the back-half of the truck will weigh close to 3,000#, doesn't leave much tire capacity for a load. Plus, your trailers will pull much better since all that rubber virtually eliminates sway. Whatever rig you eventually buy... ensure you get trailer brakes. It's the BEST money you'll ever spend!!!

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Dick L Thanks

11-26-2003 10:19:12




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 Re: Re: Truck to haul a tractor with. in reply to D.L., 11-25-2003 20:41:32  
I had a Ford F 550 make a left turn in front of me in Toledo last week. It looked like a F 350 pickup. I had been thinking about a F450 with a pickup box on it. The F 550 sounds like a better way to go. Thanks for the info, I will look into it. I sure like the E 350 cutaway I made into a pickup but sometimes loaded in the hills I would like to be passing rather than being passed.



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kyhayman

11-25-2003 19:45:50




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 Re: Truck to haul a tractor with. in reply to d-roadrunner, 11-25-2003 14:16:33  
Most any 3/4 ton or ton will do. If you are only talking short hops or infrequent even a 1/2 ton will get you there. I farmed for 10 years with nothing bigger than an F150 and pulled heavy loads on an almost daily basis. Downside was I burned up 2 of those 300 I-6 engines in 110,000 miles, too. Finally got smart and built a good 351 and put in it. My personal bias is to Ford or Dodge with a diesel, 4x4, and a 5 speed. I want nothing on them but a/c, wouldnt even have a radio if they didnt want to charge me to take the blasted thing out. Right now I've got an '01 Dodge 3/4 ton 5 spd 24v with a Cummins and a '75 Ford F350 with a 390. The Dodge definitely out performs the old Ford but it's got right a 100,000 and th eorigional engine while the Ford is at 575,000 and on engine #4.

When I buy I truck I get one to work. It lives a hard life with me. My '01 only has 1 origional body panel left on it. Tonight I hosed calf manure and afterbirth off the seat and dash. Delivered hay with it all weekend (5-16,000# GCTW gooseneck loads with 470 miles on the trip odometer). I'd rate the Dodge as an excellent engine, fair to good on construction, poor on ride (but I do have 80psi load range E tires on it), and terrible in mud. It is a beast pulling a load and very easy on fuel (never got less than 12 and usually get 17)

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Joel Harman

11-25-2003 19:42:29




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 Re: Truck to haul a tractor with. in reply to d-roadrunner, 11-25-2003 14:16:33  
I went from 3/4T single wheel to 1T dual wheel & would never go back even though I get less fuel economy. I have 4.11 final drives on a 99 ford with a 7.3 diesel. Get about 11mpg loades with 20'stock trailer around 16K across the scales. Have been as much as 26K hauling rock on another 5th wheel. No worries mate. Dodge has a helluva motor but rest of the truck doesn't measure up.



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brian

11-25-2003 19:27:15




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 Re: Truck to haul a tractor with. in reply to d-roadrunner, 11-25-2003 14:16:33  
I personally would not recommend a Dodge with an automatic transmission. I have a 1996 Dodge 1 ton dually with a V10 and automatic. It's on the third tranny and it has 130,000 miles. The engine is great, no problems, but the tranny's just can't handle the power. I pull a 32' gooseneck trailer. Go with Ford or Chevy. Just my .02 worth.



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Ron 1456

11-25-2003 18:49:59




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 Re: Truck to haul a tractor with. in reply to d-roadrunner, 11-25-2003 14:16:33  
Personally I like the Freightliner 12064ST but the Peterbilt 379 or the Kenworth W900 are probably better if you can afford one of them. All kidding aside if you are going to pull a gooseneck trailer a 3/4 ton should be the minimum and a one ton would be even better although one with duals is not really necessary. The brakes and suspension are the biggest reasons for not going with a 1/2 ton pickup. Most 1/2 ton pickups are overloaded if you pull a trailer capable of hauling a tractor and an overloaded pickup is an unsafe vehicle under any circumstances. 4-wheel drive is definetly a good idea if you are pull a trailer because of the extra traction if you need it and also gives you some extra low gears. A good trailer brake controller is also a must. Also don't buy something unpowered because you will be disappoint with it later on. While my personal preference is for something with a twin screw and air brakes I know this does not fit everyone. Just make sure you get something heavy enough to do the job safely because my wife and kids will be using the same roads you are.

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52 A Boy

11-25-2003 18:27:13




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 Re: Truck to haul a tractor with. in reply to d-roadrunner, 11-25-2003 14:16:33  
I would suggest the 1-ton chevy with the Duramax and the Allison transmission, we just got one and it handles a 32' gooseneck, with gross weight around 30,000 to 35,000 pds. just my opinion
52 A Boy



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John (C-IL)

11-25-2003 17:32:19




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 Re: Truck to haul a tractor with. in reply to d-roadrunner, 11-25-2003 14:16:33  
If you are buying new be prepared to put down enough money to buy a small house. My wife just bought herself a Chevy 2500HD Crew Cab 4x4. If you are looking for a good truck with lots of towing ability take a look at the dually models from all of the manufacturers. You can usually get a pretty decent used one for a reasonable price. I am running a 97 GMC 3500 Dually Crew Cab that is a horse. John

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Ray

11-25-2003 17:53:38




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 Re: Re: Truck to haul a tractor with. in reply to John (C-IL), 11-25-2003 17:32:19  
I recomend a chevy Duramax,traded my dodge,
cummins in last year.More power,higher gvw
weight (more payload capicity),bigger rear end.
The dodge has a good motor,but lots of other
problems,Brakes,tranny etc.I pull a 30 ft,
hydraulic tilt trailer with ease.



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Indydirtfarmer

11-25-2003 14:33:38




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 Re: Truck to haul a tractor with. in reply to d-roadrunner, 11-25-2003 14:16:33  
I just bought a new 2004 Dodge 3/4 ton 4wd, with the Cummins H/O turbo diesel. You won't find a better truck to pull trailers. It has enough suspention to handle the wieght, enough power too. I am shopping for a gooseneck trailer myself. I currently have a "bumper hitch" trailer. I have hooked onto it with the Dodge, and loaded a 7800 pound tractor, on the 2400 pound trailer, and was very pleased with the trucks performance. I will be out there with you, hunting for the "perfect trailer". The gooseneck will allow me to scale some of the wieght on the front of the truck, making for a better balanced rig. Good luck with your "hunt", John

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DuaneWKKC

11-26-2003 06:12:59




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 Re: Re: Truck to haul a tractor with. in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 11-25-2003 14:33:38  
Good choice, I have a '02 HO with a six shooter. wanted something that I could pull my 1650 oliver with. Now just have to find money to spend on trailer. Excellent forum site for the Dodge Diesel is >Link

Also>Link here is another link to a trailer site that has Moritz trailers. Is certianly a good looking trailer but I have not pulled on. Prices seem very reasonable for what you get. Might find a local dealer.

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Oh>Link yea, the problem people seem to have with the Dodge autos and Diesels seems to be related to additional HP/Torque that is readialy (sp?) available for very little $$. Dodges new auto seems to be doing very well also.

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