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4020 hydraulics

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Kevin

11-21-2003 20:42:28




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Having trouble with my 4020 John Deere tractor. When I use the loader for a long period of time the hydraulics begin to chatter and get real slow. It doesn't do it all the time, just gets a spell for a minute or two. Is there a fix for this problem? Thanks




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JMS/MN

11-22-2003 14:06:21




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 Re: 4020 hydraulics in reply to Kevin, 11-21-2003 20:42:28  
Not necessarily your front pump. Do the cheap, logical repairs first! With any PS or hydraulic problem, change the filters, clean the screen, check the oil for age and water. My 3020 had a similar problem, and the problem was in the hydraulic valves, under the hood. Get a JD tech to diagnose- not some shade tree mechanic. Last choice is the front pump. Also the highest cost- $700-1000. Granted, warm oil from continuous use can cause this problem, but only if there is something else wrong.

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nate

11-26-2003 20:00:39




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 Re: Re: 4020 hydraulics in reply to JMS/MN, 11-22-2003 14:06:21  
If it was filters it would do it from the get go



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Nate

11-22-2003 12:50:17




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 Re: 4020 hydraulics in reply to Kevin, 11-21-2003 20:42:28  
Most likely your front pump is worn out once the oil gets warm it thins out and then the pump cannot pump it.



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Brokenwrench

11-22-2003 06:42:50




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 Re: 4020 hydraulics in reply to Kevin, 11-21-2003 20:42:28  
If this happens when you are using the clutch alot this is normal. The clutch drives the charge pump in the rear which pushes oil to the main hyd. pump in the front. You can stop and let the tractor run with the clutch engaged to re charge the main pump. Another way is to install a reservoir above the main pump to carry you through when you are using the clutch alot. It can be done with all Deere parts. The reservoir is about 1 1/2 gallons. I have found them at salvage yards on 4020 and 4430 tractors. If you have a good parts man and want to spend the bucks,have him go through the parts books and everything can be ordered through Deere.

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david val

11-21-2003 23:20:51




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 Re: 4020 hydraulics in reply to Kevin, 11-21-2003 20:42:28  
first thing to do (after checking oil level), is to check/ clean the suction screen and replace the filter.
david



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kevin

11-22-2003 06:07:25




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 Re: Re: 4020 hydraulics in reply to david val, 11-21-2003 23:20:51  
Thanks for the suggestions, but I already did all that and doesn't seem to help. Was wondering if it might be something in the pump that could be fixed easily?



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jdemaris

11-22-2003 15:48:00




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 Re: Re: Re: 4020 hydraulics in reply to kevin, 11-22-2003 06:07:25  
If you've checked the obvious things, that it probably is your pump. I find it to be a fairly easy unit to rebuild, but getting it out is not easy. On 4020s, I pull the front end off and pull the pump out from the bottom. The most common wear item is the stroke-control valve which can be replaced without removing the pump (I was a field mechanic for John Deere and I've done many of them). 15-20 minute job when you're used to it. I also did their bench rebuiding for hydraulic pumps and fuel injection pumps). Complete pump rebuild, once on the bench, would take 2 hours and $120 in parts (on the average, back in 1989). Back to the point, when the stroke control valve gets wear along its seat, it will make a hammering or chattering noise. Usually, it will also make the tractor start hard. Very often starter motors are burnt out because of worn stroke control valves. Gets bad enough, you will lose all hydraulics. New valve and seat assembly used to cost around $35, but I haven't worked for a JD dealer since 1989. I fixed many of them by just pulling out the valve itself (not the seat), and stuck into a valve refacer, refaced it, and stuck it back in. Very often it worked fine although I'm sure such repairs are not sanctioned by John Deere. If you do so, you MUST readust the stand-by hydraulic pressure. There a adjuster on the outside of the pump for this. If you do remove the pump, it's not bad to work on. Has Timken style adjustable bearings, so bearing endplay must be adjusted with shims. You've got 8 pistons and springs to inspect, along with 8 discharge valves and 8 inlet valves that at least need to look at to make sure nothing is broken. As of course, as aforementioned, the stroke control valve is a MUST.

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RJ-AZ

11-22-2003 06:41:07




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 Re: Re: Re: 4020 hydraulics in reply to kevin, 11-22-2003 06:07:25  
If it's in the pump it's not fixed easily or cheaply. You may be able to remove the stroke control cartidge from the front of the pump and check for bad O' rings or scoring in the bore. After that it's time to roll the front end out and drop the pump from the botom.



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STEWART SMITH

11-22-2003 12:31:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 4020 hydraulics in reply to RJ-AZ, 11-22-2003 06:41:07  
hello we have the same problem on our 4020 !Just thought it was the hours on it at 15,000 . ours is going thru the filter and the by the brakes ! we do not have two hyd. pluggs on the back so we went this way so we could keep from unhooking them all the time . Our 4020 is very unusal because we have a 4840 frontend and it looks bigger then a 4520 but running it at a 140plus HP'S SHE NEEDS ALL THE HELP SHE CAN! i MUST SAY WHEN DEERE MADE HER THEY BROKE THE MOLDS BECAUSE SHE SURE IS A GREAT TRACTOR ! WHEN YOU FINDOUT WHAT IS WRONG PLEASE E-MAIL ME ! THANKS STEWART SMITH !

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