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JC

10-22-2003 04:53:22




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It's time to change the coolant in my tractor and
I was wondering if if would be OK to switch to the
new long life type like DEX COOL. It is supposed
to last 5 years and be better for the enviroment
if spilled. My plan is to use a radiator flush
and then fill with the DEX COOL. Any opinions
pro or con? Thanks.




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Mike M

10-23-2003 06:25:36




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 Re: Antifreeze in reply to JC, 10-22-2003 04:53:22  
I work at a GM dealer and we see more problems from Dex Cool than the old green stuff. Just another marketing trick that doesn't work. Stay with the Green plus add some nal cool or wix cool type additives.



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WayneB

10-23-2003 04:28:37




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 Re: Antifreeze in reply to JC, 10-22-2003 04:53:22  
DexKool. Marketing strategy. Designed for newer aluminum radiators. Designed to separate the yuppie from $$$; also requires total flush of green ($$$) Not worth the $$$ on farm/construction equipment.

Reasons for changing and flushing coolant. Particulates swirl in the cooling system, eroding and lodging. Acidic levels rise, weakening hoses. Deposits heat and cool, solidifying and clogging radiators. Occasionally, getting these floating eroding conaminates out is worthwhile. A coolant filter is optimum, but in the long run, flushing the coolant system is fairly cheap.


Everything said so far is good advice. The color of the (green) coolant is a good clue to flush need. Bright green---good. Green-ish--Brown, flush!


In the military, we have worked with antifreeze recyclers. One you can plug into a heater hose, and run the equipment for ten minutes and totally filter and replace the inhibitors. Ethylene-glycol, the root ingredient of antifreeze is clear, the green or orange color, is just tha---color. The recycler removes inhibitors, color, and also completely filters, the remaining glycol and water is clear, then the inhibitor lubricant package is added back which gives the coolant color.

For used antifreeze, additionally, we use coolant test strips, which test for freeze-point concentration and acidic level. Inhibitors can be added just once bringing the acidic level within tolorance, then thereafter, the coolant must be flushed.


Equipment that is used on a continuous basis, and does not sit, will not rust as much as the idle stored equipment, requiring less flushing.
Wayne

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Larry

10-22-2003 19:29:30




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 Re: Antifreeze in reply to JC, 10-22-2003 04:53:22  
Your wasting your money on that stuff! If you use a good conditioner, and, or conditioned antifreeze you really don't have to change OR FLUSH. Engines, diesel, propane and gas run on fuel, oil, grease and water/antifreeze. If you chince on any of these your asking for trouble. I have 20 plus machines in my Excavating business, and some have had the same antifreeze in some them for 7 or 8 years. You need to condition that solution every year. Kep your fuel filtered and clean, no fuel problems. Keep your oil/filter changes up, no internal problems, grease? 10 tubes of GOOD grease is cheaper than replacing one bushing. Goo0d luck, Larry

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RJ-AZ

10-22-2003 17:48:47




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 Re: Antifreeze in reply to JC, 10-22-2003 04:53:22  
The Dex-cool is probably not worth the eaxtra $$. Just a good flush,rinse and standard anti-freeze in a 50/50 mix will do fine. You didn't say if your tractor was a gas or diesel. dex-cool was primarily formulated for GM aluminum hi-tech engines.



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Brokenwrench

10-22-2003 15:04:30




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 Re: Antifreeze in reply to JC, 10-22-2003 04:53:22  
Another option would be to use the antifreeze test strips to check the condition of the antifreeze. You might be able to go another year or 2 with the addition of some coolant conditioner. This will work if the antifreeze is still reasonably clean and you don't have other cooling system issues.



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rustyfarmall

10-22-2003 12:25:59




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 Re: Antifreeze in reply to JC, 10-22-2003 04:53:22  
The radiator flush is always a good idea, as far as the dex-cool, I don't know. Read the lable on the container, and find out if it is compatible with cast-iron engine parts, and brass radiators.



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R. Marg

10-22-2003 08:31:00




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 Re: Antifreeze in reply to JC, 10-22-2003 04:53:22  
I don't know any thing about the new antifreeze either but save your self a little money run some vinegar in the system it cleans it well and is cheaper the the flushes you get at the parts house



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VaTom

10-22-2003 10:21:38




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 Re: Re: Antifreeze in reply to R. Marg, 10-22-2003 08:31:00  
Vinegar? What type and what concentration?



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R. Marg

10-22-2003 10:54:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Antifreeze in reply to VaTom, 10-22-2003 10:21:38  
ya I know it sounds funny but my oliver 77 would over heat and I tried the flushes and all but nothing worked till I put vinegar in it about a 70/30 mix 70% vinegar cleaned it out very well and cost less then the flushes at the parts store I used white vinegar after I ran the engine for about an hour I let it cool back dowm and flushed the system with water from the hose and put antifreeze /water back in and it hasn't over heated since and the was 2 years ago

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VaTom

10-22-2003 15:21:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Antifreeze in reply to R. Marg, 10-22-2003 10:54:36  
OK, I'll pick up a few gallons tomorrow. Thanks.



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Ben in KY

10-22-2003 11:22:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Antifreeze in reply to R. Marg, 10-22-2003 10:54:36  
I put Lime Away in the radiator to clean out the mineral deposits in the tubes. Let it sit over nite and flush it out good with a hose. Works for me, but I am a bit afraid to put in the block and waterpump :)



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R. Marg

10-22-2003 12:08:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Antifreeze in reply to Ben in KY, 10-22-2003 11:22:29  
vinegar didn't hurt any thing as far as block/water pump the Olive had a bad build up of lime in it



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Ben in KY

10-22-2003 07:13:31




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 Re: Antifreeze in reply to JC, 10-22-2003 04:53:22  
Is your tractor a diesel ? If so you need the heavy duty antifreeze. Sorry I don't know enough about the environmentally friendly anitfreeze to comment on it.



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