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Allan

10-01-2003 04:12:00




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Okay,

In a moment of weakness, I went and bought an old “restored” H with a tricycle front end. I have to slap a wide front under this guy because I'm going to use it to maintain the grounds of two of my places up in the hills, which both lie on a rather aggressive 'vertical' terrain.

Is there any demand for a tricycle front end, which is in excellent shape? Do you think I can I get it sold?

Thanks,

Allan

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Robert

10-01-2003 08:14:27




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 Re: Tricycle Front End in reply to Allan, 10-01-2003 04:12:00  
I was given (literally) a 1945 JD A, with the narrow (tricycle) front, along with a mower, (drag type) and a disc (also drag type). I also got the owner's manual. All the while before I got the tractor running (it wasn't, that's why it was given to me), I read and reread evrything about the operation, posted a couple of questions, got a few responses, and NO ONE anywhere could say with certainty just exactly the "limits" for safe operation were. I finally decided that I would have to make those decisions each time I undertake a task, whether it's mowing, or disking, or for that matter, putting around. For me, it's a matter of going slow, and paying attention the whole time I'm on the tractor, watching everything, and basically (for me, anyway) if I feel uneasy about how the tractor "feels"---too much angle, wheels starting to dig in, or whatever, I stop what I'm doing right then and there. So far, that's worked for me. I don't have any real "hills" on my place, but, there are a few spots (like the tank dam, and where I have the food plots for the deer that are slightly inclined, and, sitting so high off the ground took me awhile to get used to, so when I'm working those areas, I'm extra cautious.

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Allan

10-01-2003 07:44:46




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 Re: Tricycle Front End in reply to Allan, 10-01-2003 04:12:00  
Hi Guys,

So am I to assume then, judging by the replies, that there would indeed be a market for this take-off tricycle?

What would be a ballpark asking price? The unit is completely restored and painted up as new.

Thanks,

Allan



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Dave 2N

10-01-2003 12:37:14




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 Re: Re: Tricycle Front End in reply to Allan, 10-01-2003 07:44:46  
Allan-
I would have to say no market for a NF that's been taken off a tractor. Every boneyard this side of Mars is full of tractors with NF's so there are a lot available if someone needs one. If you switch to a WF, you will probably have to just write off the NF; I really wouldn't expect to get anything for it.

My point on this issue of NF vs WF is that "been there-done that" with a NF says more than a lot of probablility and scientific explanations about why a NF is more dangerous than a WF.

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Bob

10-01-2003 07:00:26




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 Re: Re: Tricycle Front End in reply to Dave 2N, 10-01-2003 06:46:12  
Dave 2N, I both disagree and agree with you.

I have to disagree that a wide front is not any safer than a narrow front. The one thing that does make a wide front safer is that the higher pivot point of a wide front (top center of the wide front vs the tire/ground contact point on a narrow front) in effect lowers the center of gravity of the tractor, thereby increasing the angle at which the tractor will roll over.

But I do agree that the bottom line is they are all unsafe in the hands of a careless operator.

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dhermesc

10-01-2003 10:03:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Tricycle Front End in reply to Bob, 10-01-2003 07:00:26  
I agree, the WF makes a tractor somewhat safer, but it doesn't make it safe. With 8 boys and dad running tractors on steep terraced hill ground for years the only tractor ever rolled over on the farm since the switch from horses was an IH 886 with WF and roll cage. It was done on the back side of a terrace that had been worked with narrow front Bs, Hs, Ms, 300s, 560s, and 656s, the differance was the operator, my younger brother (12 years old at the time). For several years our primary loader tractors had narrow fronts also, didn't change until the horse power (and loader) needs to lift big bales two layers high on 2 ton trucks required a switch. A WF is safer, but any operator can make an accident with a stupid move.

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RAB

10-01-2003 08:15:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Tricycle Front End in reply to Bob, 10-01-2003 07:00:26  
Actually height of centre of gravity has no more than this to do with falling over. As long as the centre of gravity of an object remains within the base of that object, then the object will not tip over unless other forces act thus to do. Staight fact of physics. Try it with a box on the table or carpet. Now when the c.o.g. is that much higher, or the base is a different size or shape, there may be some difficulty in recognising when the aforementioned limit (for tipping over) is about to be exceeded. Operator error. You just don't expect one type of tractor to do the same things as well as another. Try driving a crawler on steel tracks and aggressive grousers at 15 mph on the road!! Not a good idea.
Bicycles have only two wheels, but not everyone falls off, do they?
Regards,RAB

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RickB.

10-01-2003 05:29:14




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 Re: Tricycle Front End in reply to Allan, 10-01-2003 04:12:00  
Hope you maintain at least 70 acres. That is what is required to turn around an H or M IH with wide front.



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Allan

10-01-2003 06:18:26




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 Re: Re: Tricycle Front End in reply to RickB., 10-01-2003 05:29:14  
Hi Rick,

After losing two neighbors using these silly tricycles, this is an absolute no brainer to my mind. A third neighbor was cut into from his crotch up thru his gullet via a JD rear cast wheel after it came loose from the rim.

I'm putting on the wide front.

I do thank you for your input, however.

Allan



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Van

10-02-2003 05:08:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Tricycle Front End in reply to Allan, 10-01-2003 06:18:26  
The center of gravity on the old farm tractors is lower than you think, but all still require caution while operating. The operator must have his brain engaged at all times no matter the front configuration. Also if you already knew the answer to your question, why did you ask it in the first place.



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Allan

10-02-2003 06:57:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Tricycle Front End in reply to Van, 10-02-2003 05:08:40  
Hi Van,

If you will read the original question, you will find that it had absolutely nothing to do with all this hash.

I asked the dollar value of a restored tricycle front end; guess we didn't see that part, but all wanted to make certain that I understood exactly how stupid I was for wanting to install a wide front. Contrary to popular belief, I do know what I'm doing in this respect.

Never did get a reply to that original question.

And so it goes,

Allan

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Van

10-05-2003 06:36:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tricycle Front End in reply to Allan, 10-02-2003 06:57:06  
Hi Allen,
I understood the question but I guess I just questioned why you wanted to change it out. No a used narrow front does not have much value as many more were produced than wides. I never ment to offend you and did infer you were stupid. Wide or narrow, its all individual choice, I have three narrows and two wides, both types have their place on my farm. Sometimes on this board the subject gets shifted and I appoligize for this also, but it happens.
Take care, Van

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Allan

10-05-2003 07:25:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tricycle Front End in reply to Van, 10-05-2003 06:36:40  
Hi Van,

Yeah, Sorry. I was havin' a sort of bad day that day. :>)

When I get this old gal all set up, I'm gonna post a picture for you all to see what I'm dealing with up here in the timber growing on this vertical terrain. One driveway requires the use of four-wheel drive vehicles in the summer on dry days!

I just had to buy this property as it was "so pretty" up here in the hills. Another rule of thumb: never buy real estate without first asking about the winter snowfall amounts!

Geeze! Until I bought this land, I had never encountered a furnace going out on account of snow covering the stove-pipe on the roof before! And they call this the "high rent district". :>(

When you see the pictures, you'll understand why I need the wide front, the loader and the tire chains.

Thanks for responding and a good one to ya,

Allan

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Van

10-05-2003 09:02:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tricycle Front End in reply to Allan, 10-05-2003 07:25:12  
Allen,
I fat fingered the last response and didnt proof read it. I meant to say I DIDN'T infer you were stupid, now that I re-read my last post. I see I goofed. I also live in rough terrain (AR Ozarks)
Have a great day.
Reguards, Van



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Dave 2N

10-02-2003 08:07:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tricycle Front End in reply to Allan, 10-02-2003 06:57:06  
Hi Allan-
Just to clarify--

1-I never said nor meant to imply that you are stupid for wanting to put on a WF. I simply wanted to point out that this is an old issue that constantly comes up on this forum and also, that NF's are not the hazard that they are portrayed to be. That said, put on the WF; that's your choice and I in no way think you are stupid for doing it.
2- I also answered what you said was your "unnswered question," namely, the value of or the price you could get for a changed out NF assembly. If you go back up and read my post, I said that in my opinion and experience, you shouldn't excpect to get anything for it. I don't think it is a marketable piece that is sought after by very many people.

So-I sincerely wish you the best of luck in what you are doing and hope you are successful, and most importantly, safe. I still maintain that your brain is a greater factor in promoting safety than a WF.

Best wishes,
Dave 2N

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Bigdog

10-01-2003 06:27:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Tricycle Front End in reply to Allan, 10-01-2003 06:18:26  
Annan - Don't let that wide front end make you over-confident. Any tractor is only as safe as it's operator. I won't go anywhere on a wide front that I wouldn't go on a tricycle tractor.



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Bigdog

10-01-2003 06:28:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Tricycle Front End in reply to Bigdog, 10-01-2003 06:27:26  
Sorry - I meant to type Allan. (stupid fingers)



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