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8n or Farmall M

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Eric Krumdick

09-30-2003 15:26:56




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I got a few acres to plant deer plots and a bunch of trails to mow. I've heard 8n lacks the guts to cut high weeds or plow, but seems to be parts/'implements readily available. Farmall M might have more horse power, but i don't seem to see as many parts/impements available. I'm going nuts on this -- any thoughts? thanks.




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john d - Another option

10-01-2003 20:16:42




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 Re: 8n or Farmall M in reply to Eric Krumdick, 09-30-2003 15:26:56  
If you're not in a big hurry, look around for an IH 300 or 350 Utility model. These were built in the mid 1950's, often came with power steering, live pto, and live hydraulics. If equipped with the "Fast Hitch" two-point drawbar, they are easily and inexpensively converted to a 3pt hitch. Approximately the same size as the old N series Ford, but with more power, more weight, and a much more rugged front axle if you want to put a loader on it. We had one on the farm for about 20 years. It didn't have the brute power of the M, but it was nearly indestructible!

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Steve W (NY)

10-01-2003 07:19:21




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 Re: 8n or Farmall M in reply to Eric Krumdick, 09-30-2003 15:26:56  
I agree with what JEB2N said. there is one other thing. You ever see that Simpsons cartoon where Homer groes Tomacco (LOL), and the tractor keeps tipping over on him? I thought it was funny, but you want to keep safety in mind. An N series Ford is dangerous, but nowhere near as dangerous as an M, IMHO. Here's some examples...in the M, you sit high where a tree can drag you off. It also doesn't have a tranny lockout on the ignition switch, not that you want to rely on one, but stuff happens. My Farmall BN doesn't even have a key....does an M?

now as far as HP, I have a 2N, and can pull a 5 foot bush hog through any tall grass just fine. A lot of guys try a 50-60 year old tractor with a worn out engine and think that's what they have. My engine is fresh, and pulls a 2-14 plow through hard, rocky ground all day. What more does one need? I use it to pull a landscape rake, 3 point scoop, 6 foot finish mower, backblade for plowing, post hole digger, and a nice big utility trailer. What more do you need?

Finally, there is the issue of storage, and tread marks in your lawn. Get an N or Jubillee, a 600 series Ford, or a small MF. Leave the M to real farmers.

Take Care
Steve

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paul

09-30-2003 21:54:30




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 Re: 8n or Farmall M in reply to Eric Krumdick, 09-30-2003 15:26:56  
You must live in the south. there are 10 M's for every 8N around my part of Minnesota.

Not saying which is right for you, just that there are a _lot_ of m's out there, and lots of parts!

If you like Ford, a good 100 series (600, 800) is a whole lot more tractor than an N.

--->Paul



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MarkB

09-30-2003 18:38:51




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 Re: 8n or Farmall M in reply to Eric Krumdick, 09-30-2003 15:26:56  
For your purposes, neither one of these tractors are particularly good choices. And they're about as dissimilar as you can get!

As others have said, the 8N is underpowered and overpriced. Depending on how hard the soil is you're going to plow, it may not be able to do the job.

The M is a great tractor, but it's very big and didn't come from the factory with a three point. On the other hand, its maneuverability in the tricycle configuration is second to none.

My personal preferences would be either one of the Fordson Major series, or the Ford 600/800 series (including the 601/801 and four cylinder 2000/4000 tractors). These all have plenty of power, three point hitch, live hydraulics and are reasonably compact. I'm sure there are many other tractors of various colors that will suit your needs equally well.

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steveormary

10-01-2003 09:50:45




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 Re: Re: 8n or Farmall M in reply to MarkB, 09-30-2003 18:38:51  
Mark B

What would be wrong with the newer 2000-4000 Fords with the 3 cylinder engines. Arent the ones with the 4 cylinder engines just glorified 600-800 series tractors.

Cracked blocks on the Fergusons was because of abuse or neglect by the operator. We ran 2 Fergusons for years and never cracked a block.

steve



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Dieselrider

09-30-2003 18:02:32




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 Re: 8n or Farmall M in reply to Eric Krumdick, 09-30-2003 15:26:56  
Eric,
You have gotten some good advice and a few opinions. Something you might want to consider, do your trails go through trees with low hanging branches? The M will sit you high, great place to be in an open field, not so good in the woods. Utility tractors let you set lower to the ground, not as advantages in the field but much better among the trees. Niether tractor has live pto and you may pick up a newer model for less than the N, or much more tractor for the same$. Good luck.

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4020dt

09-30-2003 17:31:53




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 Re: 8n or Farmall M in reply to Eric Krumdick, 09-30-2003 15:26:56  
If want 3pt equipment the Ferge 35 is about 4 times the tractor that a 8N is , The 8N is the most overpriced oversold whatever , everybody thinks they need one . 35's ohv Continental engine is a very good little engine , 35 has live hyd and pto which the 8N doesn't . The Ferge 30 is a little older and doesn't have live power but is still a good little tractor . If you don't need 3pt the M is a good choice , lots of parts etc available for them too . Pretty hard to beat a good old M . I have Deere tractors , but I still have the 49 M that dad bought new and still use it for choring around here . Not as handy as a 3020 or 4020 but lots handier than an A , G , or 70 that we had years ago .

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Jeb2N

09-30-2003 17:54:33




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 Re: Re: 8n or Farmall M in reply to 4020dt, 09-30-2003 17:31:53  
Please don't take anything I say as anything other than opinion based comparitive analysis.

I like the N's. I have a 2N. I have also owned a farmall H. I like deeres, but only the ones earlier than 1940. My opinion is this: The 8N, like the 9N and 2N before it, had features that were not available in other tractors at the time. The 8N had not only a three point hitch, but also draft control AND position control built in. It's low stature and easily adjustable tread width made it poor for row crop cultivation, but great for hilly terrain and other close to the ground chores.

The N's are two bottom plowing freaks! THat is what they were designed to do. I think they are comparable to the M as far as drawbar horsepower. You can convert the N to live hydraulics for about $80 and give it a more-or-less live PTO with an ORC for about $65. The M never had a 3 point, and you'll spend $500 for a conversion and you still don't have a live lift, or live PTO. You just have a lift. Just like the N. People say they are overpriced, but price is based on demand and a lot of people love these little machines. They refuse to die and parts are available everywhere and at low cost. You run into the same boat with the John deeres as you do the H and M of the same time period....and look how much THEY set you back compared to an N.

I went to a junk yard down the road from me to find some 2N parts. This place has acres and acres of tractors. In the whole place, there were about 4 N's combined. On the other hand, the Fergusons with the OHV engine were populating the junk heap nicely. A guy that worked there said that their OHV engine just didn't hold up like the old flathead ford did.

Again, this is just opinion. I like the N's. I like the deere's and Farmalls, too but mostly for nostalgia purposes. I like the N's for versatility. Somebody commented that you don't see a whole lot of N's at tractor shows because they're all still out in the field working...

For what it's worth.

Jeb

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Dr. Evil

10-01-2003 14:21:08




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 Re: Re: Re: 8n or Farmall M in reply to Jeb2N, 09-30-2003 17:54:33  
Dream On Jeb. NO N-series "Farming" in the Mid West that I've seen for the last 40 years!



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Van

09-30-2003 21:17:23




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 Re: Re: Re: 8n or Farmall M in reply to Jeb2N, 09-30-2003 17:54:33  
I have to disagree with you on one point. The M is no comparison to the N for drawbar HP, actually it has about double what a N has, if the N is tuned up.



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Jeb2N

10-01-2003 09:27:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 8n or Farmall M in reply to Van, 09-30-2003 21:17:23  
Perhaps I was mistaken and was thinking of the HP rating for an H. I used to have an H, but don't quite remember what the rating was. I have always heard that Farmalls were the best for belt work, though. I simply favor the N's for "right outta the box versatility" before upgrading. You already have a hitch set up, it was specifically designed with plowing in mind, and implements are readily available everywhere with no conversion kits necessary.

I did think that the M had more "grunt" to it, but I never saw the stats on them. If it's brute pulling force you're after, I would favor the M. As far as wanting to plant, plow, cultivate, mow, etc. I would favor the N's. JMHO.

Jeb

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Van

10-05-2003 06:49:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 8n or Farmall M in reply to Jeb2N, 10-01-2003 09:27:47  
I agree that the N has its place and so does the M. I have a Ford 5000 and do agree that it is better for some chores. I would personnaly rather cultivate with a M. The ford N's are tough to beat for economy of operation though. It's just the inflated price that keeps me away from them, I got my 5000 D for about twice what a N would have costed around here.



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Josh

09-30-2003 18:12:07




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 Re: Re: Re: 8n or Farmall M in reply to Jeb2N, 09-30-2003 17:54:33  
An 8n is an ok tractor but it is no match for an M on the drawbar. Not even close.



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Dieselrider

09-30-2003 18:10:40




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 Re: Re: Re: 8n or Farmall M in reply to Jeb2N, 09-30-2003 17:54:33  
I remember reading somewhere that to compete with Ford's popularity the Farmall company would show up at plowing demonstrations and challenge the 8n's to plowing and pulling contests and beat them every time. I'm a fan af the little Fords too, but I dont think you can assume just because the hp is similar that they will pull the same.



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Ron M

09-30-2003 17:26:51




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 Re: 8n or Farmall M in reply to Eric Krumdick, 09-30-2003 15:26:56  
Forget both of them and go with a Ford 600,800 or 900 with live PTO and 5 speed trans. Power similiar to the M with all the ease of operation, handling and the hydraulics & 3 point hitch of the 8N.



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I Like Case

09-30-2003 16:03:55




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 Re: 8n or Farmall M in reply to Eric Krumdick, 09-30-2003 15:26:56  
The 8N is a suburbanites toy. The Farmall M is a tractor-3 times the unit for 1/3 the price.



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JW

09-30-2003 17:48:39




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 Re: Re: 8n or Farmall M in reply to I Like Case, 09-30-2003 16:03:55  
I agree. The M is three times the tractor but a good 8N with it's matched equipment can do the job. It will take more time to cover the same amount of ground a M would cover but it will do it. The reason 8N's are so expensive is all the guys with 3-5 acres. The 8N is ideal for that amount of ground. So all those guys want one. But, start a 40 acre field with a 8N and 2 14inch plows, and you'll wish you had the "M" and 3 16's.

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Add a Massey 35 to your l

09-30-2003 15:42:57




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 Re: 8n or Farmall M in reply to Eric Krumdick, 09-30-2003 15:26:56  
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09-30-2003 16:40:23




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 Re: Re: 8n or Farmall M in reply to Add a Massey 35 to your l, 09-30-2003 15:42:57  
Given the choice, I'd stay with red. Been looking to add an H or M to my Masseys. Got a salvage yard about 1/8th of a mile down the road with lots of M hulks.

M got more muscle and I know they'll be a lot of argument but get a wide front, better on steep terrainan more stable with loader if you need one.

CH



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