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How to Crush Asphalt?

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Russ

09-23-2003 04:42:54




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I have been given about four hundred tons of old asphalt road surface. It's in peices about two feet square. I would like to use it as road surface on a slopy dirt road I have on my place.

The problem I have is how do I crush or otherwise break up these asphalt chunks into something about one inch or less in size? Is there some type of machine that one can rent to do this? Any other ideas?

Someone said use a hammer to make little rocks out of big rocks - that's not a viable solution. I'm to old, and there is just to much of it.....

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John

09-23-2003 11:35:50




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 Re: How to Crush Asphalt? in reply to Russ, 09-23-2003 04:42:54  
If you can spread the asphalt out you can chew it up with a heavyduty rovator. We have done old roads with a Howard Rotovator. (Heavy Duty)
You may need to make a few passes, but it works.



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RayP(MI)

09-23-2003 10:20:07




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 Re: How to Crush Asphalt? in reply to Russ, 09-23-2003 04:42:54  
Can you find a contractor who would take the material, grind it up, add some asphalt, and use it in paving roads? (Might even make a buck or two and get some road gravel delivered in exchange!) Around here, that is commonly what happens to old asphalt. What you've got there is an awfully large white (black) elephant. Short of a contractor with the machinery to do it, it looks like an impossible task.

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Joe Evans

09-23-2003 06:44:54




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 Re: How to Crush Asphalt? in reply to Russ, 09-23-2003 04:42:54  
Russ: there are a couple of options here I think. If the asphalt chunks you have are stockpiled, then a portable crusher could be brought in to size the material to useful dimensions. The problem here is you have to get a portable crusher--a common item but not a typical machine found at a rental store. You also have to have a loader to feed the crusher, and then the crushed material will need transported and distributed on your road. After that, you'll probably need to grade out the crushed asphalt and compact it.

The next option would be to load out and distribute the big chunks as evenly as possible on your roadway. This will require a loader. Then rent, or better yet, find a contractor with a vibratory drum-type sheepsfoot roller. The sheepsfoot with the vibrator will pretty much crush-up the big chunks in place. A contractor will have the means of transporting a large compactor and will have an experienced operator to furnish. This will save on crusher costs and costs to feed the crusher. The problem you will encounter with this latter method is that the compactor will really sock down the asphalt and there will be highs and lows left in the grade. There really is no good way to evenly distribute such large chuncks of asphalt unless you lay them in like you were installing floor tile.

You may have to get a grader to peel off the compacted high spots. Graders are pretty tough and are capable of this. Then you will want to do a final pass with a smooth drum roller.

I just thought of another option. Distribute the chunks on your roadway. Get a dozer of sufficient size and "track in" the chunks by going over them multiple times. The dozer's weight and grouser ought to size up the chunks. Any remaining highs and lows can be taken out with the blade. Follow up with a compactor.

A neighboring township had demolished asphalt like you have distributed on a township road. Their chunks weren't as large as you have, but the method they used was the same. They did, however, topcoat the crushed/compacted asphalt base with chip & seal. This was a wonderful fix to a road that had perennial soft spot and pothole problems.

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Steve450

09-23-2003 13:49:31




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 Re: Re: How to Crush Asphalt? in reply to Joe Evans, 09-23-2003 06:44:54  
All of these options would work, but it would be cheaper to have a contractor come in and pave it with new. If you have a Hot Mix Asphalt plant near you, they may crush it for you if they have a recycle crusher. I don't think a quarry will mess with it and the price for a portable given in another post here is acurate. Most larger asphalt plants do have a crusher so they can add a small amount of recycled product into a fresh mix to keep costs down. Even this way you will have trucking costs each way at about $55.00 (here in Pa anyway)per hour per truck. You would need a LARGE dozer to "track it in" at least a D-6 or bigger as a smaller machine will not have the weight. I think it would be cheaper to put down sub-base stone and rent a small roller. It will hold on the hill just as good. I work in the asphalt/aggregate industry. My .02

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randy

09-23-2003 13:02:18




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 Re: Re: How to Crush Asphalt? in reply to Joe Evans, 09-23-2003 06:44:54  
Joe Evans,
What is chip and seal?
Randy



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Joe Evans

09-23-2003 13:48:19




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 Re: Re: Re: How to Crush Asphalt? in reply to randy, 09-23-2003 13:02:18  
Crushed limestone (chips) with asphalt emulsion (seal). We call it chip & seal around these parts. Actually, I am told it is better than standard asphalt for surfaces that don't see too much wheel traffic such as a residential drive vs. a public road. Asphalt needs continual wheel traffic to keep its surface materials 'kneaded' together helping to seal it from weathering. Chip and seal does not suffer from too little traffic. Standard asphalt driveways and parking lots require frequent sealing. Our county has oodles of miles of roads that are now chip & seal. They used to be dirt/gravel. I can't think of a concrete (no pun) example to give you.

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Shane

09-23-2003 15:27:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: How to Crush Asphalt? in reply to Joe Evans, 09-23-2003 13:48:19  
Around here we call it $hit and seal! About a useless waste of time and money, at least when you put it over terrible roads to begin with. It makes them look nice for a few months but it breaks up after a few years and they are out doing it again. Would be cheaper to just pave the roads, but this is the gov't we're talkin about.



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Dan

09-23-2003 06:28:00




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 Re: How to Crush Asphalt? in reply to Russ, 09-23-2003 04:42:54  
i have crushed asphalt with a eagle horizontal shaft impact crusher. 400 tons crushed to one inch minus would take about 2 hours of crushing but of course it takes 4 hours to set up the crusher and to hire us to crush it would be a week minimum at going rate i think is $250 an hour to buy new its about $450,000 but on a small scale im not sure what the best way to do it is asphalt crushed to 1 inch minus dose work very well on roads the only problem if the asphalt is clean and you crush it and leave it in a pile for any length of time it will start sticking back together

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Slowpoke

09-26-2003 23:43:40




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 Re: Re: How to Crush Asphalt? in reply to Dan, 09-23-2003 06:28:00  
Would an old time rock crusher work?



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arthur

09-28-2003 11:02:47




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 Re: Re: Re: How to Crush Asphalt? in reply to Slowpoke, 09-26-2003 23:43:40  
crush it in the cold weather it gets more brittle breaks up easyer



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Tractor Dan

09-27-2003 03:57:36




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 Re: Re: Re: How to Crush Asphalt? in reply to Slowpoke, 09-26-2003 23:43:40  
i dont gelieve it would work very well the only thing to do would be with a good set of jaws keep them tight and try it but i would think you would have the old problem with a jaw when the jaw opens the asphalt would fall right threw around here anyone tring to crush asphalt would use a impact crusher



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