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WayneB

09-12-2003 04:51:33




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While I believe the hauling schedule is a super idea, there are shades of gray.

I've made several trips, and made myself available, but in the end, I have actually not made use of the service. People problems.

About ten stories...
One man wanted me to pick up the tractor and deliver it, but absolutely would not give money up front, he'd meet me there, nearly 500 miles away, and give a check once it was on the ground. I said no money, no haul. And no check. I suppose someone else hauled that tractor.

Another man from NY wanted me go into the heart of NYC and pick up a car, take it 300 miles. I tried to just tell the guy that I couldn't do it, that I was going from NY over into Canada to pick up a crawler. He called me 5-10 times on my cell during the trip. Apparently, he was also calling others, as he mistook remarks to me from others conversations. Finally, as I was cruising down the Queensbury freeway loaded with a crawler, I got the last call. The man got beligerent and accused my of lying, that I did not have a crawler, and just didn't want to come to NY and haul his car. I politely tried to explain, regardless, I was unavailable.
I guess what I want to say, is that for those who haul and have good luck, I salute you. Some intersting situations arise. While there are some characters who say they'll haul and money exchanged...there are also guys who get asked to move something for little or no return.
Honest people have to be involved on both ends.

Wayne

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Farmer in the Dells (WI)

09-14-2003 12:27:40




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 Re: Hauling in reply to WayneB, 09-12-2003 04:51:33  
My first use of the hauling schedule from here on YT was a good one. I purchased the item off the sale board. I did drive one Sunday with my wife and daughter through two states to see the item though. Sometimes descriptions on conditions are very different. After making the deal with the seller on a handshake I told him I would set up the hauler ASAP. I got back on YT and looked over the schedule for a back load thinking it might be cheaper. Talked it over with a couple people here who went through the same so I knew about what I was looking at. I inquired with three haulers. One declined the load. and a second accepted but was broke down and could not haul for three to four weeks. The last gave me his cell number and shot me a price. We agreed and the deal was done. The pickup happened in three days so the check (yes out of state check) had not even arrived but was in the mail to the seller. He let the piece get loaded and hauled, and I forgot to ask him to write down the plate number of the hauler. All I had was a name and a cell number. Anyhow two days later and 8 hours after he scheduled the delivery he shows up and drops my piece without a scratch, other than what was already there. I bought a rusty cab from two states away and my biggest worry was broken windows. No suprises. I paid the man in cash. I never asked if he would take a check. I figured being so far away from home he could use the cash easier for food, fuel, and whatever he needed. I called the seller to let him know the piece arrived and to ask if my check did. It did and he was not worried about waiting for it to clear. The piece was already in my yard. A lot of things could have gone wrong from either end or the hauler in the middle. For my part dealing in cash when possible so the hauler doesn't have to deal with out of state banks seemed to be my best choice. Everything went fine all from here on YT for my first time. It won't be my last. Do your homework and talk to your shipper. Mine was insured, and professional. They are happy to pick up on back loads especially since the cost of fuel has gone the way it has.

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Mike in Md

09-12-2003 17:54:42




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 Re: Hauling in reply to WayneB, 09-12-2003 04:51:33  
I think alot of people are just plain cheap and/or have no clue whatsoever about hauling. Look at some of the posts: Can I haul a M Farmall on a 3500# trailer ..... Let one of them get stopped by the scale guys or DOT.Those of us that do haul, either for ourselves or others (legally)know what it costs to try and do it right. You can't even cover expenses empty @ .50/mile at todays fuel costs,not to mention insurance and wear and tear on a 1 ton truck and gooseneck much less a rollback or tractor trailer. Let them go rent a U haul car trailer(and hope the U haul equipment spotters don't see them) and pull it behind their S-10. When they have to pay for damages to the trailer,or a trans or clutch in their truck, maybe $1.00-$1.25/mile won't seem so bad.

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rustyfarmall

09-12-2003 05:02:20




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 Re: Hauling in reply to WayneB, 09-12-2003 04:51:33  
I have pretty much had the same results as you, even when I state central midwest states only, I still get calls from people wanting me to pick up a car or tractor in arizona, and deliver it to Maine, or something like that, and when I tell them what I would charge for a trip of that nature, they accuse me of robbery. My prices are not out of line, and I charge only for loaded miles. With the price of fuel being what it is, it is going to be expensive to haul a tractor across the country.

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JOHN (LA)

09-12-2003 06:18:04




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 Re: Re: Hauling in reply to rustyfarmall, 09-12-2003 05:02:20  
KNOW JUST WHAT YOU MEAN.TELL THEM TO HAUL IT THEIR SELF IF THEY COULD DO IT CHEAPER.
THERE IS NO WAY I WOULD GO AND PICK UP MY OWN TRACTOR WHEN I CAN GET IT DONE FOR 50 CENTS A MILE. YES MOST CHARGE A DOLLAR BUT I WOULD HAVE TO DRIVE BOTH WAYS. IF YOU GET A BACK HAUL TO PAY FOR YOUR RETURN TRIP THAN SO BE IT. THAT IS FOR YOU TO COME UP WITH.
FOR ME I WOULD HAVE TO TAKE TWO DAYS, RENT A TRAILER, ONE NIGHT IN THE MOTEL,ONE BLOWN TIRE, EAT D#M TRUCKSTOP FOOD, GAS FOR 1200 MILES, AND THE WHOLE WAY I WOULD BE THINKING MAN I COULD HAVE PAID SOME SUCKER $600.00 TO DO THIS AND STAYED HOME AND WATCHED T.V.

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26Red

09-12-2003 11:27:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Hauling in reply to JOHN (LA), 09-12-2003 06:18:04  
That's what I thought too...until I made the trip myself from ND to LA...1500 miles one way.. The shipping quotes didn't seem so expensive after that trip!!



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WayneB

09-12-2003 13:16:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Hauling in reply to 26Red, 09-12-2003 11:27:32  
I mentioned hauling and shades of gray.
Shades meaning that if haulers were to charge what is cost, counting our time and expenses, this would be commercial trucking, be for hire, regardless of weight, and stop at weigh station and keep a log etc.

But normally most of us amatuers just haul and only ask for expenses or there abouts.


Not from YT hauling, but I have rec'd "pretty" checks from honest looking people, that were worthless. So it is cash, MO; no checks. I'd ask cash from a preacher.


But some of the calls were like: "you advertised on YT hauling, so I need you to come two-three states here and pick up.... 28 cents a mile or 38 cents a mile.


So I just say I cannot do it.


I look for signals the person is honest or not. Or a pain in the @$$. It is about two honest people, one just covering my expenses to haul their item (no profit) so I can honestly say I am not for hire, and I deliver.

I have yet to haul for anyone thru YT hauling. Not to say they were not honest, but I don't go way out of my way, nor take checks. The fine line between "for hire" and not is profit and going anywhere for a load. I hope.
Some of the comments about hauling imply that if someone advertise on YT hauling, they need to haul. No. No. No. It is a mutual favor agreement. There has to be lots of trust, especially if the person does not ride or follow you. I don't think YT hauling is responsible for any bad haulers or any bad load owners. I think their role is to provide a forum to link us up, and it stops there. Each of us are at risk, to ensure we figure out what fair looks like or not haul or take the haul offer. Or not.


Doggone shame there are less than honest people.
Wayne

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rustyfarmall

09-12-2003 17:10:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hauling in reply to WayneB, 09-12-2003 13:16:18  
Just another quick comment for those people who think they should get their items hauled for 50 cents a mile or less, The state of Iowa reimburses at a rate of 36 cents a mile for employees who drive their personal vehicles to attend training meetings etc.
Keep in mind that most of these vehicles will average 25 miles per gallon, and a one ton dually pulling a 25ft. trailer with an 8,000# tractor on it will average about 8-10 m.p.g.

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