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glenshoe

09-04-2003 03:22:35




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I was talking to an oldtimer at a tractor show this weekend and complaining about stabilizing all the gasoline in my lawn mowers, tractors, chainsaws, etc. for the winter. He said, "use Amoco (now BP) Premium which is white gas and you'll never have to worry about gum-up in your carbuerators again!" My question: is it okay to use premium gas in all of these engines and is what he said true? If so, does "white gas" degrade in other ways over time or would it still be "fresh" after a year or more?

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Gene Davis

09-04-2003 19:55:31




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 Re: white gas in reply to glenshoe, 09-04-2003 03:22:35  
T-Bone posted a while back that he added a little 2-cycle oil to the gasoline to help keep it from gumming carburetors



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Bus Driver

09-04-2003 18:08:02




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 Re: white gas in reply to glenshoe, 09-04-2003 03:22:35  
Storing gasoline where it is cool keeps it usably fresh much longer- that is why underground storage is technically the best. Environmental considerations are another matter. I doubt that one brand of premium fuel has longer shelf life than another- or longer than lower octane grades.



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Oldfarmboy Jim

09-04-2003 13:32:09




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 Re: white gas in reply to glenshoe, 09-04-2003 03:22:35  
Glenshoe, I've got two suggestions for your situation. One is easy and one is fun. You decide which is which.
1-Drain the fuel out of any engine that you won't be using for the winter. Spray a little WD40 in the tank, if it makes you feel better, Put the cap on the tank, start the engine and run the fuel out of the carb. Put it away til Spring. Orrrr
2- Every other Saturday morning during the winter start the engines, listen to them purr for about 5 minutes and then sit back and appreciate the fact that you're blest with such great toys.

I never liked the idea of letting internal combustion engines sit for long periods of time. Seals deteriorate, surface rust starts on cylinder walls, etc. I yhink it's good preventive maintenance to start them up on a regular basis. Oldfarmboy Jim

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Terry H

09-04-2003 19:08:25




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 Re: Re: white gas in reply to Oldfarmboy Jim, 09-04-2003 13:32:09  
I'm with #2.

As for the "white gas" I remember dad getting a gallon at the "66" station whenever we went camping when I was a kid. We'd use it in the Coleman stove and lantern. It was quite expensive as I recall, about 50 cents a gallon! I think all it was was unleaded back in the age of 100 octane "regular."

Terry H



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Robert

09-04-2003 13:25:24




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 Re: white gas in reply to glenshoe, 09-04-2003 03:22:35  
My personal experience with lawnmowers and other equipment in which I run regular gas is, that the "shelf life" is longer than expected. I say this, because I leave the tanks full, or partially full over the winter months, and haven't experienced gas deterioration to the point that the equipment won't start in the spring.
Of course, I'm talking about 3 or 4 months of non use, not years. I haven't put Stabil in anything yet. Maybe I'm just lucky?

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rustyfarmall

09-05-2003 08:29:27




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 Re: Re: white gas in reply to Robert, 09-04-2003 13:25:24  
I'm with you on this one, never used stabil, and have never had an engine refuse to start the next spring.



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Will

09-04-2003 13:04:21




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 Re: white gas in reply to glenshoe, 09-04-2003 03:22:35  
In my area some folks refer to Coleman Fuel as "white gas", and I know some folks will use it in a pinch in their lawnmowers and other small engines; given its expense I wouldn't but to each their own. Its my understanding that Coleman Fuel (and the other brands of camp/lamp/stove fuel) is parafin and has a very low octance rating. Stabil is not near the hassel of fighting a gummed up carb and a lot cheaper than paying $2.65 a gallon for avgas.

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Robert Cornell

09-04-2003 11:31:46




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 Re: white gas in reply to glenshoe, 09-04-2003 03:22:35  
As has been mentioned, white gas was simply gasoline with no lead or other additives. We used to dispense it out of a barrel and people used in jungers furnaces and coleman stoves primarily. The best thing you can do with gasoline, is to fill the tank to the rim and keep it full. Exposure to air and the moisture in it is what turns gas. Stabil will only work to a point. I have had gas in both cars and tractors that stayed just fine for 3+ years and the only thing I did was add a little SeaFoam and fill the tank to the very brim. The SeaFoam helps with varnish in the carburetor - no matter what you do, there will always be a little air in the carb....if you can drain it that is best....

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Jerry Klauss

09-04-2003 11:19:04




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 Re: white gas in reply to glenshoe, 09-04-2003 03:22:35  
White gas was very popular for Blow torches,for plumbing,and we bought it at AMACO , for stabalizes gas we used air craft gas supplied at small airports or from Fuel suppliers at larger airports. was last used in the Constellation ,airliner w/ triple rudders.1970 NASCAR mandated that all racecars would use Pump gas, to reduce costs.Had to re-build our alky-nitro engines, lower comp.ratio . Constallation fuel was rated as 180 over 140 octane. the 180 was for high comp.engines & the 140 was for lower comp. engines. Hope this helps Jerry

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buickanddeere

09-04-2003 11:17:03




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 Re: white gas in reply to glenshoe, 09-04-2003 03:22:35  
Gasoline is a complex organic compound that will breakdown/evaporate. In the fall I purchase 100LL aviation fuel and add a couple of gallons after running out the tractor gas. Then run the tractor to fill the carb. I'd rather leave the fuel system 100% dry but want to leave the tractors drivable incase of fire etc. Aviation fuel has more/better stabilizers. Less prone to icing carbs too. The diesel engine's starting engines we just run on aviation fuel all the time.

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hay

09-04-2003 09:34:17




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 Re: white gas in reply to glenshoe, 09-04-2003 03:22:35  
white gas brings back memories. used to be it was in a seperate pump usually at the back of the gas station( back when the attendents used to pump gas). all i ever used it for was in lawnmower engines. i don't think it was supposed to be used in automobiles. at least i never seen or heard of anyone putting it into a auto engine. i think any gasoline has a specific "shelf life" and is not recommended to be used after a few months because it gets condensation in it.

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Red Dave

09-04-2003 06:45:54




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 Re: white gas in reply to glenshoe, 09-04-2003 03:22:35  
"White" gas was sold 30+ years ago for use in heaters and other devices that couldn't use leaded gas. It was specifically not reccomended for use in automobile engines. It had few, if any, additives. Today, all gas has additives, but not lead.
One brand of premium gas is no different from another brand. They all come from the same refineries and go through the same pipelines, there is no way to keep them separate.
The "old timer" is mistaken.

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john

09-05-2003 06:09:11




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 Re: Re: white gas in reply to Red Dave, 09-04-2003 06:45:54  
WELL YOU GOT IT ABOUT HALF RIGHT!!!!! !!
gas is gas is gas that is true. but they can keep gas separated. they send nolead and premium and diesel through the same pipe.one type pushes the other and there is a testing lab that test the product as it is coming through the pipe so they know when to switch to the other tank. yes it does mix a little at the point of different types but not enough to matter. cheaper to put a little premium in the nolead tank than to build a seperate pipe for each.
as far as additives go this is trucked to the gas loading rack and added to the gas as it is loaded on the truck for delivery.the additive does not go through the pipe line.
so if you buy exxon gas at a exxon station you may be getting gas made at a shell refinery but you will allways be getting exxon additive and vise versa.
so in short the only difference between gas is the additive that is added.so all gas is not the same the additive is different.the only gas at a station that may be the same is the no names. citgo, unbranded mom and pop stations, speedway, ect.. all use a generic additive.
the big boys; shell, exxon, chevron, texaco, ect.. all use brand specific additive.in fact it is against the law to put gas mixed with say shell additive into a non shell station..

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pasbon

09-04-2003 11:04:43




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 Re: Re: white gas in reply to Red Dave, 09-04-2003 06:45:54  
I have a friend in the crop dusting business that used to use av-gas in the jagger pumps, when one pump would break he would store it in the barn. I went into the barn one day about 5 years later to get a motor and on the second pull it started up, no gum up at all in it, but the octane level is 100-112.don't know how it would work in tractors, but is expensive.



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Ben in KY

09-04-2003 09:08:16




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 Re: Re: white gas in reply to Red Dave, 09-04-2003 06:45:54  
I agree with Red Dave on the gas. For infrequently used equipment I recommend using an additive like Sta-Bil in the gas to prevent gum up.



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