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Ford tractor question???????

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Indydirtfarmer

08-28-2003 09:10:59




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One of the golf courses that I do work for, has a Ford 4630 diesel. It has been used to mow with for about ten years, with little real maintainance. They started having "problems" with it several weeks back. I have suggested that the mechanic get shop manuals and such, but he let me know that he can't read or write, and the manual wouldn't do him much good. So, here is the problem. The tractor has always smoked a bit too much. (Black smoke) It seems to me to be overfueling. It started running bad, so he decided to do a compression test, which led to eventually doing a valve job. While working on it, he installed new injectors. Since then, it won't hardly run at all. The more rpm's the worse it runs. Yesterday, he moved the "timing" on the injector pump. It started to run a little better, but not right. If this was my tractor, it would be at the dealer, or a local diesel repair shop, to get straightened out by someone that knows what to do. This tractor, on the other hand, is stuck with the mechanic at the golf course. Anyone have any good suggestions as to where to start working on it. If there is anyone out there that knows the drill for timing a Ford 4630, please tell me what you know. I'll pass it on.

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Indydirtfarmer

08-30-2003 03:22:32




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 Re: Ford tractor question??????? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 08-28-2003 09:10:59  
Well, they found the secret to fixing the problem.(I Think) Yesterday the tractor went to Republic Diesel. (The best diesel injection shop in the Louisville, Ky area) I would like to thank all for helping with the problem. At least I know more than when we started! When they get it back, I'll post what the results were.



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Rod F.

08-28-2003 20:55:44




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 Re: Ford tractor question??????? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 08-28-2003 09:10:59  
First step it to change the air filters. Mabey clean the outer filter, but replace the secondary. I wonder about the injectors. It got worse after the new injectors and valve job? If he just changed the nozzles, and not the whole injector, they would have to be set up properly on a pop tester. Even if he changef the whole injector, they still need to be checked. I assume the compression was good after the valve job? As for pump timing, it is primairly set on the gears, but there is a final adjustment on the pump mounting. There is a scribe mark on the pump ear that match marks on the backing plate. I think the zero on the plate has to match the mark on the pump. That is assuming that the pump is not internally timed. From what I understand, if they are internally timed, these scribe marks are not relevant for the purpose of setting timing. The timing was set at the factory. To remove an internally timed pump, the the doer should put a munch mark on the plate, so that he knows where it goes when it is time to put it back on. In this case, he probably didn't do that when he changed the timing. Try to set it back to the paint marks. That said, if there is nothing to go on, I would try setting it to zero, see how it works, and perhaps advance a bit from there. 1 index mark, I believe is 4 degrees. Standing behind, looking forward, turning the pump clockwise will advance the timing. As far as the smoke goes, they smoke some anyway, under load. IT is also possible that somebody screwed with the delivery when it was new, and then it is going to smoke. IT will pull pretty good too. Well, that's a few confused thoughts for tonight.

Rod

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Rod F.

08-29-2003 19:13:04




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 Re: Re: Ford tractor question??????? in reply to Rod F., 08-28-2003 20:55:44  
Seems I was in some sort of coma last night, so I'll correst some of my mistakes (the ones I know about). The internally timed pumps are supposed to be set to the zero mark, and then advanced (clockwise) half an index mark, which is 2 degrees advance. This is to compensate for backlash in the timing gears. Last night I noted that this procedure was for a pump that was not internally timed. It is just the opposite. I am not very familiar with setting the timing procedure for pumps not internally timed, or on what models it was used. I should think that if the pump was of the type that was not internally timed, it should be set back as near as possible to where it was. Changing this without really knowing the problem is not a good idea. It may lead to more trouble. Hope this helps some without creating more confusion.

Rod

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IanC

08-28-2003 18:05:18




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 Re: Ford tractor question??????? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 08-28-2003 09:10:59  
If they are that poor on maintenence when's the last time they installed new air filters? They shouldn't have had to touch the pump to change injectors. I think you arn't getting the full story. The CAV pumps are quite forgiving of everything except dirty fuel.



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