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K-Mo

07-19-2003 18:48:00

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The has town has an annual festival which includes a car show. This year they want to include a display of vintage tractors. They want to award trophies in classes prior to 1940, 1941 to 1960 and to "Best of Show". I believe that making the show competitive takes the fun out of it. Some people put in many hours work with minimal equipment and facilities while others pay professionals to do eveything to include an automotive paint job.
I not going to get wrapped around the axle for those who will pay money not to get dirt under their finger nails, but I don't want to compete with them. For two or three thousand dollars I could have a trophy winning tractor by the end of the week, but I would'nt enjoy it.

Should tractor shows be a display of individual personal pride and accomplishments or a competition for trophies?

K-Mo

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Mike (WA)

07-21-2003 08:00:52

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Re: What's Your Opinion? in reply to K-Mo, 07-19-2003 18:48:00

I am a member of the Hudson-Essex-Terraplane club, and I think one reason it has been so successful is that the club has never allowed judging at their shows, other than "furthest travelled", and other categories not based on the car itself. People are comfortable bringing their beaters, works in progress, and home restorations to the meets.

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big fred

07-21-2003 07:13:45

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Re: What's Your Opinion? in reply to K-Mo, 07-19-2003 18:48:00

Well, that's the way car shows are normally done. Since it's a car show first, don't be too surprised. If you enter, you don't have to compete, you know. Just enter, show off your work, and enjoy the show. I went to the Good Guys Northwest Nationals street rod show this past weekend, and there were plenty of top-notch show cars there, but there were also plenty of everyday street rods, one of which looked real sharp, but the owner claimed he had over 100,000 miles on it. Not a show winner, but probably more impressive than most of the winners. There were also a few real ragged looking rods that looked like they needed a new paint job. Everybody seemed to be enjoying the show, but only those few with the show-winning rods were taking Pepto-Bismol.

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Les...fortunate

07-20-2003 17:00:00

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Re: What's Your Opinion? in reply to K-Mo, 07-19-2003 18:48:00

I'm with you, K-MO. I just had a little show yesterday. The only competition was a poker run. I had some prizes that the local Carquest store had donated so I had to give them away.
I would much rather see the tractor working or hear the story of its life and hear people talk about the old days and how they worked with one "just like that one".
Like somebody else said, it's the people who make a show interesting or not. We had a stationary baler working yesterday. When it was running, practically everybody there was watching it.

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Phil Munson

07-20-2003 10:33:01

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Re: What's Your Opinion? in reply to K-Mo, 07-19-2003 18:48:00

Out here in, central upstate NY, I am in the TOYS (tractors of yesteryears) club. We are truly blessed in this rainbow club. It was started by the late George Bull, and presently Roger and Barbara Karn contribute many hours to its existance. "Judging" is taboo. We have tractor pulling exhibitions, not contests. (Tractors are allowed to pull until they cannot complete a full pull.)

Mr Karn is very correct. Tractors are a mechanical beast of burden, built and sold to labor and provide all of us an easier and more abundant life. Some of the exhibited tractors come in their work clothes, a little worn and stained; but none the less, beautiful, for all of their provision.

Judgement, is all too often, a very competive and, sometimes, harsh, unwarranted criticizem.

In a club, with over two hundred active members, a lot of difficulty has been avoided by the applied wisdom of not allowing unnecessary competition. I, and obviously many others, agree. After all, is the function of the organization fun and fellowship, or is it a contest?

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Ludwig

07-20-2003 07:39:05

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Re: What's Your Opinion? in reply to K-Mo, 07-19-2003 18:48:00

This comes up alot around old snowmobiles. At our local show last year was the first year with no judging, but they had "Visitors Choice" the show lost alot of ground that year, there were far fewer sleds because nobody brought the really cool show sleds.
This year we're going to have some judging including "Jalopy" classes and a "visitors choice" With the idea that it'll increase interest and get more people to bring out the rarer rigs.

Some people get real excited about judging, some don't. I think the trick to remember is that not everybody gets excited by what makes YOU excited and then let them have their space.

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Dave Olson

07-20-2003 07:20:04

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Re: What's Your Opinion? in reply to K-Mo, 07-19-2003 18:48:00

I went to a local show last week and took a few of my tractors. The treat for me was talking to folks that remembered using tractors (like the ones that I brought to the show) when they were younger!

I started collecting tractors last year because it brought back memories that have been dormant for almost 50 years!!

It is really neat for me and others to be able to talk about, feel, listen too, and drive these old pieces of iron that meant so much to us in our younger years! Smiles were all around when I started up the 73-year-old Case C and the 66-year old F-20. :-)

There is no prize expected or needed for a trip down memory lane. And everyone is his or her own judge as to whether it was worth the trip!

Dave Olson

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John Fugit

07-20-2003 05:56:22

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Re: What's Your Opinion? in reply to K-Mo, 07-19-2003 18:48:00

Don't get too caught up in "competing with them" I started restoring tractors for one reason. I love working on them. A little deeper, I love the people that are involved with them, the hunting for parts, the looks that people give when they see a tractor they grew up around, and on and on. Just have fun, enjoy your tractor, and keep taking it to shows. Try to be the owner with the biggest smile.

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Trevor

07-20-2003 05:48:59

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Re: What's Your Opinion? in reply to K-Mo, 07-19-2003 18:48:00

I'm with Wayne below! If you don't want it to be a competition don't make it one! Enter your tractor, enjoy the event and who cares who wins a stupid plastic trophy. That being said, you would be awful proud if you won wouldn't you.

As for Roger, I know a guy who replaced every bolt nut and washer on his IH cub with stainless steel. NO it didn't come from IH like that but no Chevy or Ford came out with chrome valve cover either. It looks cool! It is called customizing and he spent a lot of time and quite a bit of money doing it so I am certainly not going to criticize him for it.

If you want to win these stupid plastic trophies we all know what it takes, TIME & MONEY. If you don't want to spend the time and money (and that is fine, I know that I don't have the money) then don't worry about the winner.

I enjoy any tractor show and i rarely even vote at those "People' Choice" things. If I do vote for a tractor I usually talk to the owner and if he did it himself and is really excited about his tractor then he gets my vote.

Hey guys is Tractor Show/Pull Season BE HAPPY!!!

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Sid

07-19-2003 22:24:04

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Re: What's Your Opinion? in reply to K-Mo, 07-19-2003 18:48:00

Whatever floats your boat if you want to compete compete, if you don't don't. I can see both sides if people got the money and want to show off let them show off. I drove my WD in a local parade didn't care if I had a trophy or not just me and a few trying help the parade. The look on the faces of a lot of retired farmers and some guy who grew up on a farm but left when they saw tractors like they worked was worth it to us.

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Roger

07-20-2003 06:43:00

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Re: Re: What's Your Opinion? in reply to Sid, 07-19-2003 22:24:04

First of all, lets get something straight. I
didn't criticize the man for customizing a
tractor. I just pointed out that the tractor
didn't come from the factory this way. If a person
decides to customize something, that is fine. This
is criticism. When this tractor was displayed the
man put retaining ropes around it. You couldn't
get within 10 feet of it. Anyone that touched the
rope was told to get back. I often wondered why
this person spent so much money on something you
couldn't even get close enough to look at.

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Trevor

07-20-2003 14:25:39

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Re: Re: Re: What's Your Opinion? in reply to Roger, 07-20-2003 06:43:00

Roger,

Sorry, didn't mean to upset you. That guy does sound like an idiot.

I don't want people sitting on my tractor but fondle it all you want.

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Wayne

07-19-2003 22:23:52

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Re: What's Your Opinion? in reply to K-Mo, 07-19-2003 18:48:00

I don't show any tractors, but I used to show my 55Chevy 2 door 210 wagon at local shows. It was a daily driver but it still looked really good. I could spend all day before a show cleaning and polishing, and still never win anything in the way of an award. That didn't matter though because it wasn't the awards I was there for, I just enjoyed being around others that had a love of old cars and enjoyed all the fellowship. If a show has awards, so what, that's no reason not to enter anyway. If nothing else having awards voted for by the crowd promotes audience participation and lets even those without a tractor entered get involved. What better way to get others involved with restoring old equipment than giving them the oportunity to really look at what's out there and letting them decide what they like? Heck, I used to go to shows and vote for others cars even when mine was entered because I liked what they had, and who knows, they may have voted for mine as well... I've seen cars win awards that were bone stock, and ugly as heck, and I've seen others that didn't have one stock part on them win and were beautiful, and vice-a versa. Either way the award was for the attention to detail, the labor of love somebody made by working on that particular vehicle. Like I said stock or modified, everybody has their own idea of what beauty is, and what's the harm in awarding their efforts? So what if your stock, fresh out of the field, baby doesn't win and somebody else with a fully chromed "whatever" that never leaves the fully carped, climate controlled trailer except to pull out for a show does... WHO CARES your all there for the same reason, a love of old equipment. In the end that's all that matters. So, go to the show, enter your tractor, and have a good time. Talk to the kids that come up and tell them that yes you use your tractor, that they don't build them like this anymore. Who knows, maybe that kid will get the fever and one of these days will design another tractor that will last as long as the old ones do, and we'll all be better off. Menwhile other guy may walk away with a trophy that will do nothing but set on a shelf and collect dust, but in the end when your able drive your baby out in the field and put her to work and get her dusty and dirty, that's when you know who has the REAL trophy.
Just my .02+

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Greg Fairbairn

07-19-2003 22:04:49

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Re: What's Your Opinion? in reply to K-Mo, 07-19-2003 18:48:00

I have had enough competion in my life with sports showing cattle and some racing. I'm in two different clubs in California and in the bi-laws of one of them it flat out states our shows are not for competion. It is much more fun to show people how things were done.

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Willy-N

07-19-2003 21:51:45

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Re: What's Your Opinion? in reply to K-Mo, 07-19-2003 18:48:00

I have been going to shows with my 48 Power Wagon I restored (did the work too!) get stuck in classes with guys who most have bought the Cars but act like the restored them. They even look down on mine because I painted it and it did not cost 15,000.00 to do? I have been to 5 so far and placed in every show. Got a few of those guys mad when I placed and they did not. The ones I go to are the public voting ones in small towns. Been told many times I like your truck because it dose not look like a store bought one. I also use mine as a daily driver and drive to them. So it gets dirty and I have to wash it at the car show to enter. I meet a lot of neat people at these shows. Don't even want to go to a regular show with judges looking at them it would take the fun out of it. Put to much work into removing every nut and bolt to clean and fix it up to have some judge say you used the wrong washer on the oil pan! Mark H.

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Sid

07-19-2003 22:27:20

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Re: Re: What's Your Opinion? in reply to Willy-N, 07-19-2003 21:51:45

I have seen picture of that power wagon and it is a beauty. Did you get that old dump truck.

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Willy-N

07-21-2003 14:36:52

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Re: Re: Re: What's Your Opinion? in reply to Sid , 07-19-2003 22:27:20

It was to far gone, sounded better on the phone. Thanks for the comment on my PW! Mark H.

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Hayman

07-19-2003 21:17:47

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Re: What's Your Opinion? in reply to K-Mo, 07-19-2003 18:48:00

I agree with you guys about the trophies,its just like high powered hot rod pullers in antique and regular tractor pulls,they take the fun out of it.I say if you are going to award trophies make them fun,like one for oldest tires still inflated,or least dents in a grill,or how bout tractor with most or least oil leaks,or most coats of red barn paint on a Farmall,or best paint job with a paint brush,or maybe not.Ya know Im just sayin if youre gonna do it have some fun.

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Roger

07-19-2003 20:32:13

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Re: What's Your Opinion? in reply to K-Mo, 07-19-2003 18:48:00

It's sad that shows have come to this. I know
exactly what you mean. A man shows a JD "A" at one
of the local shows. Every nut and bolt has been
chromed. Everyone talks about how great an idea
this is, however, I don't think JD ever sent a
tractor from the factory with all chrome nuts and
bolts. Car shows are worse. I know of several cars
that have more money invested in them than they
will ever get back. I know of a 68 Mustang that
was bought for $32,000 and the new owner invested
another $22,000 in it. Nothing rare, just a 68
Mustang. My tractors go to the shows in their work
clothes. I do have some that are very nice, but
most of them earn their keep around here. As for
the Charger. I am often criticized for allowing my
daughters to drive it. It shows the marks of
teenagers and life on the streets. They have
learned to care for their own vehicles with this
car. Many people tell me I should never let the
girls drive this vintage car. Maybe I shouldn't,
but their not any fun if all you do is look at
them and I can always fix the car. It was an
excellent tool for rewarding them for their
accomplishments. In our world "money talks" and we
are stuck with it.

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CASE38MAN

07-19-2003 20:00:12

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Re: What's Your Opinion? in reply to K-Mo, 07-19-2003 18:48:00

I HAVE BEEN SHOWING SINCE 1971 . WILL NEVER SHOW AT A SHOW WHERE THEY JUDGE.

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case38man

07-19-2003 20:14:04

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Re: Re: What's Your Opinion? in reply to CASE38MAN, 07-19-2003 20:00:12

WRONG ADDRESS ON SITE TRY THIS ONE

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