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Engine swap or rebuild?

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Farmer in the D

07-10-2003 10:06:29




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Friday my ’47 Allis B goes in for some work. It has developed a “pop” when running that my local shop says sounds like a valve spring or sticking valve. It also needs a new front oil seal and thermostat while it is in. I have another motor on a skid which I am told was rebuilt. It came with the deal over ten years ago but I have not needed it until now. He is also suggesting since we are already there replacing the throwout bearing and clutch along with the pressure plate if need be. He also mentioned that the flywheel may need to be machined. The alternative is to simply replace motors which would take less time and then reduce my labor cost. I heard the tractor still needs to come apart because of its design anyway to get at the front seal if I try to rehab the old motor and find my source of the pop and loss of power. Here are my questions. Would someone with a reasonable amount of mechanical ability be able to handle the engine swap? I am confident with the shop since he worked on one of my larger tractors and it was a good repair of a major problem. This seems far less dangerous to split the B and remount a new engine. I do know how much mechanics do not like taking on projects that are half started though. Getting things in a box usually seems to add to the bill. What are your opinions? What might I want to look for? Would you replace the clutch pressure plate and/or the throwout bearing if it were you? Is there anything else I should be looking at? He says the engine swap should take 1 and ˝ days plus machining and parts waiting. I won’t need the tractor for two weeks so time is not an issue. Just the ability. Thanks

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wdTom

07-10-2003 17:05:29




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 Re: Engine swap or rebuild? in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI), 07-10-2003 10:06:29  
I would inspect the spart engine carefully, stored for 10 years, you never know. If it was in a stable temperature dry place maybe. It could be stuck by now if in a damp place or changing temperatures. Did you turn it over from time to time? Did you pour oil into the cylinders from time to time? Check it carefully.

The running engine. If the clutch isn't slipping, I wouldn't worry about it. They last a long time if you don't ride them. Grease the throwout bearing once a year or so and don't worry. The front seal is easy if you support the front of the tractor and take off the front end stuff. Even if you have to pull the head and have it done, that isn't hard with the hood off. Get a reprint of an AC service manual. As for removing the engine , if you support the rest of the tractor it too isn't hard. If you do replace the clutch the only thing to do is to make sure the clutch plate is lined or centered when you bolt the clutch pressure platae to the flywheel, you need a dummy clutch shaft to do this, make it out of a wood dowel. Turn it to fit the pilot bearing, then the inside of the spline in the clutch disc, use it to line up the clutch disc as you bolt up the pressure plate. The closer you get it the easier time you hav getting the engine to slide onto the real clutch shaft in the torque tube later. You need a way to lift the engine and then roll the back of the tractor away from it. It helps if you do thes on level paved surfaces, but smooth level dirt or garvel is ok too. Be very carefull if you try to remove the engine and front end as an assembly, it is very unstable. Better to do it is peices especially as you need to get to the front seal. Ask here if you have more questions. Or go over to the orange page.

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rustyfarmall

07-10-2003 11:25:24




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 Re: Engine swap or rebuild? in reply to Farmer in the Dells (WI), 07-10-2003 10:06:29  
If the spare engine has been sitting for 10 years, I might question the integrity of the seals, then again, they may be just fine. Also the valves may have become stuck in that time.
Any time a tractor is split, the clutch needs to be at least looked at, there will not be a better opportunity.
Any competent mechanic with a properly equipped shop should be able to handle this job.



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