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Bypass filter synthetic oil in diesel backhoe?

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Lynn Kasdorf- L

07-02-2003 07:55:17




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I just bought these 1970's era Case 580B backhoes. I've been babbling about them for the last couple weeks on this forum. The seller was remarking how you need to be careful starting them in the winter because the crankcase oil gets so thick. My instant reaction was, why not use synthetic?

His reaction was that good old Drydene has served him well for 30 years and he sees no reason to change. I got a similar response when I mentioned bypass oil filters. "what happens if a piece of toilet paper breaks off and clogs an oil port...etc"

I think that bypass oil filters originated on diesel road tractors as a way to keep the oil clean. I have to think that this would be a good idea on heavy equipment like a backhoe as well.

The seller mentioned that the crankcase oil on a diesel gets dark almost immediately- you can put in new oil and filter and it will look dark within less than an hour of usage. This tells me that there is a lot of dirt running around in there.

The bypass oil folks also suggest installing their filters in the hydraulic system to remove contaminants and moisture from the system, which sounds like a fine idea to me.

So, my question is, how many of you folks use bypass filters and/or synthetic oil in your diesel equipment?

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buickanddeere

07-05-2003 07:36:40




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 Re: bypass filter synthetic oil in diesel backhoe in reply to Lynn Kasdorf- Leesburg, V, 07-02-2003 07:55:17  
Synthetic oil stands above mineral oil in extreme heat,cold or pressure. Other wise use the cheap stuff. Fine particulate carbon left over from combustion blackens the oil but is too small to cause abrasion. Bypass filtration got a bad name from the crappy toilet paper system. Cheap and didn't plug passages with paper if properly installed. Tough to find good help however. Bypass filtration is a good idea as the full flow filters catch to medium to large dirt and the bypass strains out the smaller particals without restricting flow to the bearings. Usually not used due to extra weight,physical space,expense,simplicity or if the manufacture wants to limit the operating life.

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rod

07-02-2003 08:43:51




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 Re: bypass filter synthetic oil in diesel backhoe in reply to Lynn Kasdorf- Leesburg, V, 07-02-2003 07:55:17  
well I use 15 w 40 in my diesel tractor and yes it gets black I like to stick to the manufacturers specs on oils and fluids why I don't know just a habit I have. the best you can do is install block heater or some way to warm up the engine before you start it this is very cheap and simple to do even a rad hose heater will work quite well. For the cost of synthetic oil you could do several filter and oil changes putting new oil in each time this flushes out the dirt pretty good what I think you see in the oil is actually carbon from unburned diesel fuel.
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Alton

07-02-2003 19:15:10




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 Re: Re: bypass filter synthetic oil in diesel bac in reply to rod, 07-02-2003 08:43:51  
Yes you get carbon in diesel engine oil and since it doesn't care if it is synthetic or not what is the use of buying something at a higher price than you need to, to do the same job? I have gotten engine oils tested with oil samples on both and they both needed oil cahnges each time of sample. By pass filters are ok if you keep them changed just as any filter. If they go in bypass they are letting dirty oil into what it is supposed to be protecting. But at the same time dirty oil is better than no oil.

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MPK

07-03-2003 14:59:48




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 Re: Re: Re: bypass filter synthetic oil in diesel in reply to Alton, 07-02-2003 19:15:10  
A long time ago a diesel mechanic told me if your oil in a diesel doesn't get dirty right away your oil is no good. That is the job of the detergent in the oil to get the dirt out of the engine.



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