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Allen

06-30-2003 11:45:00




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I recently retired and am considering using my MF 231s with a bushog to pick up some extra money. What kind of insurance do I need? I was thinking of the unlikely event that a rock were to hit something and my liability for such an occurance. Also in towing the tractor what is my liability insurance needs? any response would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Allen




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david

07-01-2003 12:24:42




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 Re: BUSHHOGGING LIABILITY in reply to Allen , 06-30-2003 11:45:00  
Lots of good advice so far. We used to do a lot of custom work. Carried a 'basic' farm owners from Farm Bureau which cost a little over a thousand per year plus added a $1m umbrella liability policy for $300. Had a lawyer draw up a work order contract with all the disclaimers in it. Never had any claims but it sure bought piece of mind. Key requirements were disclosure/hold harmless for underground hazards and projectiles. Also kept a right of refusal on any job. Also had a clause for tows, damages to my equip due to non disclosure. Mowed everything from croppable horse farms to pipe line rights of way. Only had 2 things that got me, an old chain harrow that punched 2 tractor tires and ate up one side of the batwing and a 'hole'. Dropped a 7600 Ford to verticle, front weights on the ground, bushhog dug in and stopped it from flipping forward.

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Allen

07-01-2003 05:45:38




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 Re: BUSHHOGGING LIABILITY in reply to Allen , 06-30-2003 11:45:00  
You fellows are always so helpful. I never thought of some of these issues. It is sad to live in a society where there are few who are not looking to scalp you with a lawsuit. Guess I will re-think my bushhogging career. Thank you so much for your insights. Regards, Allen



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Steve - IN

06-30-2003 22:45:38




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 Re: BUSHHOGGING LIABILITY in reply to Allen , 06-30-2003 11:45:00  
Allen,
Your insurance guy is just looking to collect money and avoid payments -- that's how insurance companies stay in business.

As people have gotten crazy about lawsuits, and there are now law firms with gross revenues of over 1 billion dollars a year, you have got to protect yourself, as your insurance company will be looking to dump you like a hot potato if there are any problems.

Two things I'd suggest are: 1. having customers sign a work order that incorporated a disclaimer of liability / hold harmless agreement. 2. Document in writing all the extra measures you've taken to insure the safety of your equipment -- including bolting rubber flaps on the entrance and exit, front to back, of that bush hog.

We live in a nation where a jury awarded an amount equal to the total annual national income of three European countries because he thought light cigarettes were safe (this happened in Illinois).

If they complain about the prices or the forms, tell them your liability insurance requires it. And if they complain about that -- ask them if they know the Doctor they visit is probably paying over 70,000 bucks a year in liability insurance premiums. Welcome to the brave new world ruled by "trial lawyers".

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JWC

06-30-2003 15:58:41




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 Re: BUSHHOGGING LIABILITY in reply to Allen , 06-30-2003 11:45:00  
The new rule seems to be never assume you are covered unless your agent gives it to you in writting. I considered changing insurance this past spring and found some companies do not cover your vehicle if you are hauling 500 pounds or more. Rock throwing is not the only hazard you can easly drop through a septic tank or compromise a water meter that is not marked not to mention the crazy things that happen when you find a yellow jacket or hornets nest. If you plan on doing enough of this to justify the insurance you will run into customers who do not understand the capabilities of your tractor. You will be expected to do the work of a dozer and leave the results of a finishing mower. It can be easy money to cut a few acres for a neighbor, but making it a business can bring on many headaches.

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rustyfarmall

06-30-2003 12:25:50




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 Re: BUSHHOGGING LIABILITY in reply to Allen , 06-30-2003 11:45:00  
As far as doing damage while mowing, your homeowner, farm liability should cover you, check with your agent, you may not be covered if you are using your machinery for hire, the same goes for transporting the tractor to the work site, your tow vehicle's liability ins. should have you covered, but again, contact your agent.



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Dave Wis

06-30-2003 15:57:09




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 Re: Re: BUSHHOGGING LIABILITY in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-30-2003 12:25:50  
Great no nonsense answer. Just one extra note, from personal experience, don't rely on your agents say so. Ask to get it in black and white.



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