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Garry

06-27-2003 09:15:43




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I just purchased a Case 930. It has two batteries. I have a couple questions. One, the batteries have a cable from hot lead on first battery to ground lead on the other. Is that the correct way to connect. - + - + in that order. Second, how to connect cables to jump the battery off (where to put my ground end since negative terminal is receiving positive from 1 st battery). I hope I have made this understandable.

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Garry

06-30-2003 05:51:40




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 Re: Dueling batteries question in reply to Garry, 06-27-2003 09:15:43  
thanks guys, I replaced the two 6 volts with a 12 volt and it turns the engine good. Only problem is it still doesn't crank, but i plan on checking the injector pump this week.



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Alton

06-28-2003 05:07:12




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 Re: Dueling batteries question in reply to Garry, 06-27-2003 09:15:43  
It should be two 6 volt batteries connected is series as you describe. They together make 12 volts. You need good heavy battery cables for good performance. Positive terminal to starter of first battery. Negative of first battery to Positive of second battery and negative of second battery to ground. If you have to jump connect at starter post and ground to starter frame for best connection and safety. You should get 12 volts off the batteries if tested at first positive and second ground. Hope this helps.

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JMS/MN

06-27-2003 22:46:43




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 Re: Dueling batteries question in reply to Garry, 06-27-2003 09:15:43  
You need to determine what voltage your STARTING system is- 6, 12, or 24. Most likely 12 or 24. (I don't know Case that well). Starting system on some tractors is not the same as lighting or accessory system- usually 12 volts. Determine if your batteries are 6 or 12 volt, and if they are hooked up parallel or in series. Parallel gives you the same voltage as each battery, series gives you double each battery voltage. Series would mean that one battery's positive is connected to the next battery's negative, thus your voltage is double that of each battery. The end result is what voltage is delivered to the starter, and that is what you are able to jumpstart it with, using the two connections on the starter- just make sure you know which is positive and which is negative! Following from the batteries will determine that.

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Greg Miller

06-27-2003 10:49:31




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 Re: Dueling batteries question in reply to Garry, 06-27-2003 09:15:43  
i spent four years in a Marine Corps motor pool working on those new Hummvees. they have two 12 volt batteries hooked up the same way. i much as i ever knew, this setup of -+-+ always doubles the amperage and does nothing for voltage.

when you need to jump start it, connect the cables to the battery closest to the starter motor. it will have the shortest cable.

good luck



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Don

06-27-2003 15:04:21




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 Re: Re: Dueling batteries question in reply to Greg Miller, 06-27-2003 10:49:31  
I think we need to bring back the draft. I appreciat your service but if this is what they teach in the military now we are in big trouble. They did you a major diservice. Next thing you know the world will be flat again. Welcome back to the real world.

Don



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earlschieb

06-27-2003 20:33:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Dueling batteries question in reply to Don, 06-27-2003 15:04:21  
You got that sh-tt right ! They didn`t teach him nothing !



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paul

06-27-2003 11:51:04




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 Re: Re: Dueling batteries question in reply to Greg Miller, 06-27-2003 10:49:31  
No!

When they are hooked in series (plus of one to negative of the next) they double the VOLTAGE but leave the amps the same (as the weakest one, by the way).

It is a parrellel hookup (all negatives hooked together, all positives hooked together) that leaves the voltage the same, but multiplies the amps (and requires ever bigger cables...).

Now, the guy asked how to jump it. Ah, there is a problem! It seems the tractor is a 12v system, and needs a lot of amps. So they origionally used 2 6v in series.

If you want to jump it with an addtional 12v battery, then hook it up to the starter (match whatever bat terminal is going to there, most likely positive) and hook the other cable to a frame member.

If you want to jump it with a 6v battery - you can't, really. You would need to 'make' a 12v battery out of 2 more 6v batteries in series and again hook them up as above.

Now, if you have problems with the batteries holding charge, it is always strongly recommended that you replace both at the same time, same brand. When used in series, you really only get the power of the _weakest_ battery, and again only charge up to the capacity of the weakest one.

That is why, with modern battery options, a lot of folks replace the series 6v with one good 12v battery that has the same cca as the combined 6v batteries. Gets rid of a lot of the headaches.

--->Paul

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Ben in KY

06-27-2003 14:44:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Dueling batteries question in reply to paul, 06-27-2003 11:51:04  
Paul has it right. The way they are hooked up they total 12 volts if each battery has 3 cells and 24 volts if each battery has 6 cells.



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EVIELBOWEVIEL

06-27-2003 09:54:07




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 Re: Dueling batteries question in reply to Garry, 06-27-2003 09:15:43  
batteries are wired correctly. Assuming there are two 6 volt batteries on this tractor. Connect jumpers at starter and frame not at batteries due to risk of explosion. If batteries are bad or need replaced us a spiral wound 12 volt in one compartment and use the other compartment for storage.



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Garry

06-27-2003 09:59:40




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 Re: Re: Dueling batteries question in reply to EVIELBOWEVIEL, 06-27-2003 09:54:07  
thanks Evil, I have some Exide 12 volts, but not sure if they are the kind you are referring to. Will one of them work if it is not the spiral wound?



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Bill in TN

06-27-2003 11:36:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Dueling batteries question in reply to Garry, 06-27-2003 09:59:40  
Cells and batteries may be connected in series, parallel, or combinations of both. Cells or batteries connected in series have the positive terminal of one cell or battery connected to the negative terminal of another cell or battery. This has the effect of increasing the overall voltage but the overall capacity remains the same. For example, the 12-V lead-acid automobile battery contains 6 cells connected in series with each cell having a potential difference of about 2 V.

Cells or batteries connected in parallel have their like terminals connected together. The overall voltage remains the same but the capacity is increased. For example, if two 12-V automotive batteries were connected in parallel, the overall voltage for the batteries would still be 12 V. However, the connected batteries would have twice the capacity of a single 12-V battery.

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