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Need you guys to talk me outa something...I think.

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DHR

06-24-2003 19:14:11




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O.K. I may have stumbled on to a unique oportunity to make a living (in part) using my little TO-20. No problem so far. In fact it may be the chance of a lifetime. My superhuman mental abilities have kicked in, and it has occurred to me that I will need to get the thing to the worksite/s somehow. Now here is the problem. My truck is a 1990 Toyota 1/2 ton 4x4. The suspension is strong and stiff, motor pretty strong for a 6 banger and the clutch is good. But if you are familiar with these trucks you know that they are pretty light and have a narrow wheelbase.

The tractor weighs in (if memory servers) at about 2700 lbs. Suprisingly, the guys at the trailer places don't seem to frown to hard on the idea. I've also got a buddy who is knowledgable about such matters and is typically really safety conscious, and he thought it would be "alright".

Is this truck capable of pulling this tractor safely? (with the proper hitch and trailer setup).

Thanks in advance

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DHR

06-25-2003 13:09:05




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 Re: Need you guys to talk me outa something...I th in reply to DHR, 06-24-2003 19:14:11  
Thanks for all the great advice. It seems that my truck is at best borderline for pulling this load. Driving slow is'nt a problem, people are used to tractors driving slow around here, but we've got some short but very steep hills that have got me a little nervouse. I don't know how I'm gonna afford it, but I think I'd better try to find a bigger truck.



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Nolan

06-26-2003 08:18:32




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 Re: Re: Need you guys to talk me outa something... in reply to DHR, 06-25-2003 13:09:05  
Follow the suggestion to go rent a u-haul car carrier, put your tractor on it, and go drive it around. It'll cost you a mere $60 to determine if indeed your truck is a comfortable hauler to you.



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max

06-25-2003 17:31:15




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 Re: Re: Need you guys to talk me outa something... in reply to DHR, 06-25-2003 13:09:05  
DHR
Your tires are rated for a weight classification and if you weigh everything, I think you will find that your not in the ballpark with this, and you dont want to get stopped do you?



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Greg Miller

06-26-2003 11:00:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Need you guys to talk me outa somethin in reply to max, 06-25-2003 17:31:15  
i think weighing the entire rig will help clear up the gvwr issue. otherwise you are risking being too heavy for the truck.



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Greg Miller

06-25-2003 10:50:17




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 Re: Need you guys to talk me outa something...I th in reply to DHR, 06-24-2003 19:14:11  
i would definitely suggest a bigger truck. in my experience, those little toyota's dont like trailers empty much less loaded. however, if you really want to make an informed decision, rent or borrow a trailer for a day and put the tractor on it and pull it around and definitely try to get a better idea of how much the tractor weighs. a good thing to do would be to borrow a trailer, put the tractor on it and take it to your local grain elevator so you can weigh the entire rig.

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Ludwig

06-25-2003 07:27:27




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 Re: Need you guys to talk me outa something...I th in reply to DHR, 06-24-2003 19:14:11  
Wow,

You've really gotten the gamut for advice. 2700# tractor huh? Well, I figure my Regular to weigh in at about 4000, add the trailer and we're up around 5500#. I've got a '96 Dodge Dakota with a 318 V8 and tow package. I won't say the Dakota walked away with it, there was one hill that has railroad tracks at the bottom and we never got out of first going up that one, but spent 250 miles at highway speed and never had an issue.

So yeah, take your 2700#, find an appropriately sized trailer, DON'T plan on taking your implements if you need them make 2 trips. You don't need an 18' trailer for this, that big a trailer is going to do nothing but help overload your truck. 16' is plenty. Then compare the weight of the trailer and tractor to the tow rating on the truck. If your not going to do this much then I wouldn't worry about going a bit over. If this will be frequent, like bringing the tractor home every night then consider picking up an old Dakota or a fullsized half ton truck.

The ones that said to pay carefull attention to the trailer brakes and tires are absolutely right, this is not a time to cut your preventative maintanence down. Also spend some time playing with your brake controller with the trailer loaded at low speeds to get it set real good, then realize it'll be different at higher speed. I played alot at 25mph before I was very comfortable with what I was doing. Even then I wouldn't do it often. If I get to the point where I want to tow my tractor alot I'll get a bigger truck.

Also make sure the thing is chained down good, you don't want it getting loose on you.

The guys that suggested you need a 3/4 ton or 1 ton truck for this job are NUTS. Thats overkill, why buy 2x or 3x the truck you need just to have it sit in the weeds most of the time?

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rustyfarmall

06-25-2003 09:24:41




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 Re: Re: Need you guys to talk me outa something... in reply to Ludwig, 06-25-2003 07:27:27  
Nuts are we? maybe we have just had way more experience than we care to remember.



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Jerry L/az

06-25-2003 13:53:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Need you guys to talk me outa somethin in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-25-2003 09:24:41  
The reason for the longer trailer is so you can move the tractor forword or back to add or subtract weight on the truck more or less to equalize the load too much weight forword tends to take the weight off the steering axel not a good thing,as for the truck I would rather be over powered than under powered at least I'd be in control those small pick ups s10, dakota ect.are sports vehicles not realy meant for heavey towing just my thoughts ..... .Jer

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Ludwig

06-25-2003 15:38:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Need you guys to talk me outa some in reply to Jerry L/az, 06-25-2003 13:53:19  
I agree. The key word here is "heavy" which an 8n really isn't.

Also, don't put a Dakota in the same class as a ranger or S10. Its a bigger, heavier, more powerful truck. Well, the old body style '96 and earlier ones like mine are anyway.



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Phil in MS

06-25-2003 06:52:30




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 Re: Need you guys to talk me outa something...I th in reply to DHR, 06-24-2003 19:14:11  
I have a '96 Tacoma AT V6 with factory hitch and towing package. I've never hauled anything like a tractor but I have seen a guy hauling a JD 1010 with bushhog with one and it seems to do well.

Everyone has covered the truck, the trailer, the brakes and proper loading but I have something to add which is just as if not more important, YOU.

Since I don't know you I have to ask:

Do you run your tires until you see air?
Do you service your truck timely or does it take $800 to $1,000 when you do finally do your service work?
Are you a conservative driver or would your friends say you are aggressive (if not reckless)?

Since your question was stated the way it was it seems you have some possible second thoughts about this. The bottom line is "Its your neck your risking if you make a mistake".

Some make good points as to the terrain and distance you are going to cover. Outside of buying the right trailer with good brakes and a proper hitch with a good controller do you consider yourself a good and safe driver? If you collect speeding tickets like some people collect stamps you may not need to be towing anything with any kind of vehcile.

Wish you luck.

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Joe (Wa)

06-25-2003 07:52:07




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 Re: Re: Need you guys to talk me outa something... in reply to Phil in MS, 06-25-2003 06:52:30  
"Its your neck your risking if you make a mistake". ???

You're risking everyone within collision distance if the tail is wagging the dog and you can not control it.

Your insurance co may not cover the damage/medical.



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rustyfarmall

06-25-2003 09:22:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Need you guys to talk me outa somethin in reply to Joe (Wa), 06-25-2003 07:52:07  
I second that motion, I pray that I never have to meet him on the road!



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ray

06-25-2003 06:49:12




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 Re: Need you guys to talk me outa something...I th in reply to DHR, 06-24-2003 19:14:11  
Make sure the tires on your truck are in good shape as well. Neighbors son was pushed into a tree by his trailer while towing a light load - took a turn and the trailer had momentum tires did not bite and bam - hello tree. Don't know if your area has hills maybe throw in tranny temp gauge so you can do a before towing and after towing comparison - see if your tranny is getting stressed. Brakes on trailer, proper hitch weight distribution and good brake controller.

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Old Peddler

06-25-2003 06:48:39




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 Re: Need you guys to talk me outa something...I th in reply to DHR, 06-24-2003 19:14:11  
I like light trucks but not for towing a trailer. A one ton truck with dual rear wheels was my preferred way to tow a trailer. Even then I have been pushed through a red light by a trailer. It just so happened that nothing was coming and I was the only vehicle at the red light but it still shook me up. Now I use a larger truck that has air brakes.

Good Luck!



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Neil Powell

06-25-2003 06:37:28




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 Re: Need you guys to talk me outa something...I th in reply to DHR, 06-24-2003 19:14:11  
I don't understand why we're second guessing the engineers here. There is a simple way to figure this out and it should be spelled out very well in the owners manual. You find all of the relevant weight ratings - GCWR, GVWR, Front GAWR, Rear GAWR - and if you are within those then you're fine and if not then don't pull the trailer. As someone mentioned you also have to have a sufficiently rated hitch, but that can easily be upgraded if need be.

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Nolan

06-25-2003 06:25:07




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 Re: Need you guys to talk me outa something...I th in reply to DHR, 06-24-2003 19:14:11  
Check the actual towing capacity on your truck, you may well exceed it with the weight of the trailer. Toyota never has made their heavy haulers in 4wd, or with the V6. Their old 1 tons were all 2wd (I've had a few of them) with the 22RE engines.

What sort of terrain are you planning to tow this in? Going up hills tends to be a slow job. I can pull 2,000 lbs with my 86 Toyota 1-ton up a moderately steep Pennsylvania mountain and keep decent speed in 4th gear. At 4,000 lbs, I'm in third, flashers on, doing about 30 mph up those same mountains.

Your truck is somewhat light, so you will always be dealing with a comparatively heavy trailer. Just something to keep in mind. Makes good trailer brakes all the more important.

If you live in the mountains of Wyoming, I'd say get another truck. Otherwise, your Toyota may well be able to handle it.

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Burlgoat

06-25-2003 05:23:51




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 Re: Need you guys to talk me outa something...I th in reply to DHR, 06-24-2003 19:14:11  
Hey DHR I am not sure you want to pull atractor with your truck.I helpedload two young men in a ambulance just yesterday that was pulling a 8n& bushhog on a 16 ft.trailer.They had a flat onthe truck and lost control even withbrakes on trailer.If you do pull with your set-up be careful.They were pulling with a Toyota also.



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rustyfarmall

06-25-2003 04:21:09




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 Re: Need you guys to talk me outa something...I th in reply to DHR, 06-24-2003 19:14:11  
I have seen people doing this same thing with Toyota's, Ford Rangers, Chevy S-10s and Dodge Dakotas, While I will not degrade any of these small trucks,I will say that they are not really trucks, and were never intended for towing a load like you are contemplating. I have seen a few situations where these small trucks were overloaded to the point of being dangerous. Naturally the trailer dealers are going to tell you it will be O.K., they want to sell a trailer.
My advice,go out and find yourself at least a 3/4 ton, if possible a heavy duty 3/4 ton, you will not be sorry.

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AC

06-25-2003 07:32:09




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 Re: Re: Need you guys to talk me outa something... in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-25-2003 04:21:09  
I put 3:73 gears in my 94 Dodge dakota V6 5 speed. Jerkerd a JD 420W all over creation and never had a problem. that toyota is a darn tough truck. I don't know why, with a little engineering, you can't do it. That V6 is a GREAT MOTOR! My 2 bits...AC



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hay

06-25-2003 03:30:40




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 Re: Need you guys to talk me outa something...I th in reply to DHR, 06-24-2003 19:14:11  
just a little comment about pulling is that i have a v-8 ford 1/2 ton p/u and even with ample power under the hood, sometimes when pulling up a long hill at 50 plus mph, i wish there was a few more hp to help out. i think it's better to have a little more weight and power than actually needed when pulling a load because it give you a reserve to call on if needed. not to bash anyone about their vehicle, but in pulling over the road i think bigger is better. just my .02 worth.

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Dan in Ore

06-25-2003 00:54:02




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 Re: Need you guys to talk me outa something...I th in reply to DHR, 06-24-2003 19:14:11  
Get yourself a good equalizing hitch and be sure to put 10 to 15% of the load on the tongue ( this will make it ride real well). Get a good set of electric brakes and a state of the art controller. If you have never hooked up a controller then get someone that has to help you with it. Even if it means taking it to a shop to have the controller professionally installed do it. DO NOT GET A SURGE BREAK. Surge breaks are worthless especially when you need them. The point that I am trying to make is that before you try to go, be sure that you can stop. If you do this project right, then things should work out for you. I am telling you these things out of experience. I have dumped a couple of trailers in my time and had a few near misses. Each time I learned something that I already knew. I hope that this has helped you make an informed decision.

Just my $.002 worth

Dan

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T_Bone

06-24-2003 23:38:55




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 Re: Need you guys to talk me outa something...I th in reply to DHR, 06-24-2003 19:14:11  
Hi DHR,

With trailer brakes, a rated hitch for 500/5000 and you keep your speed down to 35mph then it should do ok.

I doubt if your receiver is rated at 5000lbs GVW? or more than 500lbs tongue weight. Watch where you place your load on the trailer.

The faster you try and pull this load, your repairs will greatly accelerate by 200%.

T_Bone



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Willy-N

06-24-2003 22:09:59




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 Re: Need you guys to talk me outa something...I th in reply to DHR, 06-24-2003 19:14:11  
Remember the trailer has weight also. My 18 ft tandom axle trailer w/electric brakes weighs 1,800 pounds so if you add that to the tractor your at about 4500 pound more than your truck is. So you will have a hard time on the hill but with electric brakes you can do it. I have a Heavy Duty 1/2 ton 4X4 350 Chevy full size 5,000lb truck and a 8N is just fine on it. Not sure I would want anything smaller to be safe. When I load up my 4800 lb Power Wagon it hits the limit for me and goes real slow up steep grades so it would probley be like me with the PW compaired to you pulling the TO 20 tractor. I sure would not want to get on the freeway with it! Let alone slam on my brakes or have to steer fast around another car. Mark H.

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Joe (Wa)

06-24-2003 20:41:00




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 Re: Need you guys to talk me outa something...I th in reply to DHR, 06-24-2003 19:14:11  
Truck will pull just fine. Think stopping! Truck is very light...trailer brakes..brakes..brakes.
think about it.



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DIE HARD

06-24-2003 20:18:15




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 Re: Need you guys to talk me outa something...I th in reply to DHR, 06-24-2003 19:14:11  
I PULLED A 3775 LB TRACTOR ALL OVER KY WITH A DODGE DAKOTA 2.5 (4 CYL) . THE TRACTOR WAS 25 LBS HEAVERY THAN MY TRUCK . WENT IN SOME BAD PLACES AT TRACTOR SHOWS DID NOT HAVE ANY TROUBLE AT ALL. MAKE SURE YOUR BRAKES ON TRAILER ARE WORKING AND LOAD SO THAT YOU PUT THE WEIGHT ON THE TRAILER AND NOT ON YOUR TRUCK AND LAST MAKE SURE YOU ARE PULLING LEVEL WITH YOUR TRUCK HITCH WISE.



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Norman ID

06-24-2003 19:41:02




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 Re: Need you guys to talk me outa something...I th in reply to DHR, 06-24-2003 19:14:11  
I have pulled that much with my 82 toy with only a 4 banger in it, just make sure your trailer brakes work



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Burrhead

06-24-2003 19:24:02




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 Re: Need you guys to talk me outa something...I th in reply to DHR, 06-24-2003 19:14:11  
you ort not to have any trouble with pulling it. The trouble is in stopping.

That Toyota pickup will out do a Chibbie or Dode 6cyl by a good bit.



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Gary in TX

06-24-2003 20:57:55




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 Re: Re: Need you guys to talk me outa something... in reply to Burrhead, 06-24-2003 19:24:02  
Hey Burrhead,
You been smokin some bad weed??? The guy really needs a truck, not a Toy. Now to the person asking the question. You might get by with it for awhile but if I were going to pull it on a regular basis, get ya full size truck for safety.



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Jerry L/az

06-24-2003 20:32:28




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 Re: Re: Need you guys to talk me outa something... in reply to Burrhead, 06-24-2003 19:24:02  
What else are you going to have on the tractor? blade, front loader? it all adds to the total weight a good 2 axel trailer 16'good 18' better with implements I would have brakes on both axels and a equalizer hitch hope this helps..... .Jer



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