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What Do You Think About Going From 6volts To 12v.?

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Ron

06-03-2003 09:00:20




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I was wondering how you folks think about changing an older 6volt tractor to 12 volts? I have two Case Vac's with 6 volt systems and I changed them both to 12 volts and kept All the OLD parts. (Gen., wire, Voltage Reg., etc.) Just in-case I would want to show them or go back to the original system. They were always hard starting with 6volts even tho I had a good gen. and bat. in them but now they start and run so Great its nice to go out to the barn and when I want to use them they start rite up just like my cars and truck. My friends say they would Never Change their tractors over to 12 volts even tho every time they want to start them they have to push or jump them with a booster. JUST wondering how the rest of you folks think????

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Fred

01-25-2004 11:58:53




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 Re: What Do You Think About Going From 6volts To 1 in reply to Ron, 06-03-2003 09:00:20  
I wouldn't do it. there is no reason. if tractor has a good battery and starter, there usually aint no problem. AC engines start real easy anyway



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Steve....12V tractor conv

06-10-2003 09:20:04




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 Re: What Do You Think About Going From 6volts To 1 in reply to Ron, 06-03-2003 09:00:20  
I think converting to 12V reduces a tractors value. When you do that, all the service manuals are not right for the electrical system, and getting an antique back to original is a pain. I won't buy one that is not stock 6V.

That analogy of 12V being a band-aid is true. I can start my flat-head Ford at 10 below with a stock 6V system. But it has everything maintained, and good compression.

About the only way I would change, would be to add a 12V accesory, like a spray rig or something.

Just my opinion though.

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Steve W

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Kens640

06-06-2003 21:15:16




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 Re: What Do You Think About Going From 6volts To 1 in reply to Ron, 06-03-2003 09:00:20  
My Ford 640 is 6 volt but I installed an 8 volt battery . You don't have to change anything else . I love the response when I hit the switch & my lighting is great too .



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mj

06-06-2003 15:19:04




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 Re: What Do You Think About Going From 6volts To 1 in reply to Ron, 06-03-2003 09:00:20  
I use my VACs and they have to start everytime no matter what the temperature AND I like to 'turn night into day' SO, for me, 12 volt systems are a no-brainer but, like you said, I keep all the 6v stuff 'just in case'! :-)



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Bob M

06-04-2003 11:42:32




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 Re: What Do You Think About Going From 6volts To 1 in reply to Ron, 06-03-2003 09:00:20  
Ron - As others observe below there's good arguments for both sides. Here's my thoughts:

If the primary purpose of the tractor is to do work - where reliable starting and minimum maintenance is paramount - a 12 volt ALTERNATOR conversion is the only way to go! In addition to reliability, this gives you the option of installing more and brighter lights for working at night. Also it gives flexibility to swap batteries back and forth with modern tractors, trucks, cars, etc. as needed. Example - I've yet to figure out how to use my boat and my tractor at the same time. Consequently one 12 volt battery "time shares" in the boat and on my old Oliver snow pusher.

On the other hand for parade/show tractors, I like the original 6 volt systems. Here "looks" take priority over low maintenance. Keep in mind also shows, etc are generally under favorable weather conditions (warm, no rain if you're lucky!). And should a 6 volt tractor NOT start under these conditions aside perhaps from some embarrassment, it's not a big deal. Of course a 6 volt generator system is fussier about overall maintenance - not only the charging system, but also ignition, carburetion and engine mechanicals must all be in top condition for reliable starting.

A 3rd option is a hybrid: Rework the stock 6 volt generator for 12 volts. Doesn't give the idling power output or the maintenance-free performance of an alternator. But it DOES give provide the improved cranking (and lighting) performance of 12 volts. And it of course maintains cosmetic appearance of a "stock" 6 volt system.

I own several old tractors (Farmall, Oliver, MM), a couple of which I've converted 12 volts. One is my snow pusher - it must start reliably in the worst conditions of weather and it requires lots of lights when in use. My other - a Super M - came to me with high compression pistons and propane head. Even with a fresh battery, oversized cables and a new starter it was difficult for the starter to roll it on 6 volts. But it tips over and starts quick on 12 volts. Also on the Farmall an alternator tucks neatly up under the hood - you gotta bend and stoop to even tell it's been converted.

Bottom line you gotta decide based how you plan to use your tractor, and whether or not you care if it looks "original"!

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fred kobs

06-03-2003 22:38:40




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 Re: What Do You Think About Going From 6volts To 1 in reply to Ron, 06-03-2003 09:00:20  
I remember disking half the night with the OEM 6-volt candles. Give me 12 volts anyday/night.



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Hal

06-04-2003 16:50:36




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 Re: Re: What Do You Think About Going From 6volts in reply to fred kobs, 06-03-2003 22:38:40  
There is really no reason a 6 volt light cannot be as bright as a 12 volt, it just requires a heavier supply wire. And a 6 volt light is more resistant to vibration. It may be that the new lights you are comparing to are halogen type sealed beams and the old ones were not. If you install a cheap non-halogen 12 volt sealed beam it is always not as bright as the halogen type.



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G Taylor

06-04-2003 07:04:12




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 Re: Re: What Do You Think About Going From 6volts in reply to fred kobs, 06-03-2003 22:38:40  
We thought the lights were pretty dim on the 70D as well. Took the lenses off and replaced as they were aged and scratched/yellowed. The reflectors polished with scotch brite till they shone. In hind site we should have just bought the reflectors/lenses together. Replaced the lamps with the proper ones instead of what was stuck in there. Lights were better and then checked the voltage, found barely 5.0 volts. Ran a ground wire back to the battery instead of counting on the fender bolt path back to the battery and got up to 6.2V. Then set the voltage regulator up to 7.2v measured back at the battery without the lights on. Wouldn't know it was the same lighting system now. Look how bright some of these low voltage flashlights are at 3.0v.

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john d

06-03-2003 21:09:24




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 Re: What Do You Think About Going From 6volts To 1 in reply to Ron, 06-03-2003 09:00:20  
Most of the old tractors would start by using a crank, also, but I don't consider it much fun!

6 volts with heavy cables, a good battery, a good starter, good points/plugs, and good connections will start the old tractors under most conditions. They will sometimes start well under very cold conditions. I've got a Farmall M and SM that have been seriously "fiddled with" during their lifetimes; they have over-bore sleeves and high-compression pistons, and good starter motors. They DO NOT turn over well on 6 volts! For the last 20 years of their lives, they've each been working quite well with an 8-volt battery that does have enough oomph to spin the motor, and did NOT require ANY modification to the regulator or generator.

Now having said that, There is a very good chance that the next time I need a battery for one of them, I just may go ahead and convert to 12 volts.
I'd suggest making sure the starting system and ignition system are in good shape, and then if you still don't like the way it starts, go to 12 volts.

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Steven@nd

06-03-2003 20:17:58




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 Re: What Do You Think About Going From 6volts To 1 in reply to Ron, 06-03-2003 09:00:20  
What do I think? It isn't necessary. Get yourself some good 2 or 0 gauge cables, clean all the connections and make a decent ground. I've had tractors that wouldn't turn over fast enough - new battery cables and cleaning the connections fixed it.

As G Taylor said, 12v is a band aid that won't last forever.



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G Taylor

06-03-2003 19:38:22




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 Re: What Do You Think About Going From 6volts To 1 in reply to Ron, 06-03-2003 09:00:20  
If the origional 6V system won't start the tractor/equipment then there is an electrical,ignition,carburation or engine problem. A 12V conversion can be a fast easy way to compensate for quite a while. On occassion for a working tractor a PROPERLY DONE 12V or alternator conversion maybe needed. Sad to say many conversions are done with little knowledge,care or proper tools/equipment. The endless stream of questions, burned parts and hours of frustartion are common. Nothing as tacky as a proud owner at a show claiming a 100% Expo restoration with alternators and four external ignition coils on starting engines.

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Paul Janke

06-03-2003 17:56:53




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 Re: What Do You Think About Going From 6volts To 1 in reply to Ron, 06-03-2003 09:00:20  
I feel that the alternator instead of the generator is as important as the 12 volt as opposed to the 6 volt. Alternators charge at low speeds, put out enough juice for lots of accessories, and don't overcharge the battery. If it's strictly a show tractor, the 6 volt generator makes sense, but I would not be happy with a tractor I wouldn't dare use.



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RayP(MI)

06-03-2003 16:43:25




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 Re: What Do You Think About Going From 6volts To 1 in reply to Ron, 06-03-2003 09:00:20  
I have two older tractors both converted to 12v.
the first I converted was a Farmall 200. I needed new lights, and couldn't find much in 6v - especially those special Farmall sealed beams. By going to 12v, I was able to get sealed beam work lights cheap! Also wanted to put flashing lights, and even a rotating beacon on for safety on the road. Having 12v made these things easy. Alternator was purchased from a backyard rebuilder, cheap! Replaced the coil, old one was questionable anyway. Needed a new battery, so that was a draw. All in all, I've probably got less than $100 in the whole change. Tractor starts very well, can be used to boost anything else on the farm, and I'm happy with the results.

Second tractor to get the conversion was a John Deere B. Started very slugishly on 6v, on 12v it's turning over and starting right now! conversion was simple - since generator needed repair anyway, and a new regulator, we just put on a 12v regulator.(And reversed polarity) New battery needed anyway, ignition system is magneto, so nothing needed there, Just a new 12 volt bulbs! Works great. Would never know it is 12v unless looking under the seat. Son refurbished this one for his senior project in high school, and was posted here a while back. Also was pictured in a recent issue of "TWO CYLINDER" magazine. Son was out pulling a field cultivator and grain drill with it last week.

To those of you who are purists, and need to keep their 6v systems, I understand. Mine are not show tractors, - they're workers, and I need them to work. I don't scoff at your insistance on 6v systems, please don't look down your nose at me for making practical modifications in my worker tractors.

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Rick in Texas

09-22-2005 11:25:48




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 Re: Re: What Do You Think About Going From 6volts in reply to RayP(MI), 06-03-2003 16:43:25  
I have a 1950 John Deere B I saw your article and would like to convert to 12 volt too. I bought a one wire alternator and 12 volt battery. I need wiring diagram, kill switch and brackets to hang alternator. Any idea where I can get this stuff? Yesterday does not know... I asked



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moonlite

06-03-2003 15:28:48




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 Re: What Do You Think About Going From 6volts To 1 in reply to Ron, 06-03-2003 09:00:20  
I have eleven tractors and a motor driven welder and only about seven or eight batteries. I have been known to "Borrow" from some other tractor or vehicle. Call me cheap!! all 12 volts



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Bill

06-03-2003 12:35:48




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 Re: What Do You Think About Going From 6volts To 1 in reply to Ron, 06-03-2003 09:00:20  
8 volts, just a battery and a little wrenching and all of the problems are solved. Didn't even change the lamps and haven't really had any longevity problems.



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John

06-03-2003 12:30:44




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 Re: What Do You Think About Going From 6volts To 1 in reply to Ron, 06-03-2003 09:00:20  
I have an H that I use only a few times a year. It is 6 volt. And that baby cranks right up. The key is being sure to have good battery cables. Not the house wiring they use on the new cars and trucks. I haven't had to charge that 6v battery yet. And it is at least 5 years old. Go 12V if aren't mechanic enough to keep the 6V system working.



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paul

06-03-2003 12:19:14




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 Re: What Do You Think About Going From 6volts To 1 in reply to Ron, 06-03-2003 09:00:20  
For me personally (I don't care what others do. :) I feel like your neighbors. But then my 4 6v tractors are used on the farm, & they are maintained & start right up on 6v. You need to pay attention to the wires & connections - 6v is a real low push, so any resistance is bad.

--->Paul



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49 Cubber!

06-03-2003 12:10:21




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 Re: What Do You Think About Going From 6volts To 1 in reply to Ron, 06-03-2003 09:00:20  
I work on M and show another M,and working on another M and a Cub.Working M has an altenator 12 volt,show M had a generator,also 12 volt.The M Im redoing is going to be 12 volt,but havent decided if I want an alt or gen on it yet.Cub has a 12 volt gen on it now.My problem is noone sells 6 volt batteries around here,I have todrive some 90 miles for a battery,I dont think so.If they were easier for me to get,Id probably use it in my Cub.

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New_2_Oliver

06-03-2003 12:08:26




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 Re: What Do You Think About Going From 6volts To 1 in reply to Ron, 06-03-2003 09:00:20  
I totally agree with what you are saying, 12 V is the way to go. But that being said, an alternator on an old tractor (for show not work) turns my stomach. It is simple to have your generator changed to 12V and use a 12V regulator and nobody knows that it is 12 V until you start it.

My father has redone 2 Allis Chalmers and converted one to 12 and left the other 6V for the purists. Well last week he took his 6V generator to a Starter & Alternator guy and had it switched to 12V. He could never use the tractor when he wanted to without messing around and hoping it started where as the 12V always started no matter how cold it was.

I am glad that some guys leave theirs 6V so that the generations in the future can see what a pain in the a$$ they were to start.

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Polish Mike

06-03-2003 10:59:29




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 Re: What Do You Think About Going From 6volts To 1 in reply to Ron, 06-03-2003 09:00:20  
I like the change I made to my Ford NAA. I also installed electronic ignition at the same time. The engine runs well, no points to corrode, file, or adjust. Like Jim WI, I needed a new battery, wires, points, generator, etc. anyway, so changing over was a no-brainer, as far as I was concerned. And now I can use the tractor to jump-start all the rest of my 12 volt equipment, or jump the tractor from the truck if I have to...Makes life a little easier.

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Nolan

06-03-2003 10:54:51




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 Re: What Do You Think About Going From 6volts To 1 in reply to Ron, 06-03-2003 09:00:20  
I've had 6 volts, and I've had 12 volts. I'll take the 12 volts any time. Much less sensitive to corrosion and dirt.

Going to 12 volts also makes the tractor able to use any electrical equipment, like lights, pumps and such, easily.



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John Cummings

06-27-2003 14:51:39




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 Re: Re: What Do You Think About Going From 6volts in reply to Nolan, 06-03-2003 10:54:51  

Depends on your parts source's Cost considerations or not? Parts on hand or not.



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Jim WI

06-03-2003 10:19:50




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 Re: What Do You Think About Going From 6volts To 1 in reply to Ron, 06-03-2003 09:00:20  
In many cases, it is cheaper to solve the problems causing the hard starting than it is to convert to 12V. For example, converting to 12V will give you a system that is less sensitive to poor connections than is 6V, but fixing the poor connections is cheaper than converting.

(And I speak as one who has converted to 12V without a kit and without any problems. In my case, the tractor needed a new battery AND a new generator so converting didn't cost any more. I also wanted to use a 12V sprayer that I already had.)

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Larry from MD

06-03-2003 09:15:41




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 Re: What Do You Think About Going From 6volts To 1 in reply to Ron, 06-03-2003 09:00:20  
12 is the way to go if you are going to use them.Lots of people don't want to spend the money and have to claim some other reason for not doing it.



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mj

06-06-2003 15:21:45




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 Re: Re: What Do You Think About Going From 6volts in reply to Larry from MD, 06-03-2003 09:15:41  
Amen!



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