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Dave 52

03-13-2003 23:25:01




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I ve been checking out the offering in used japanese tractors. Several dealers are located here in western Wash state. I figure a 20hp 4x4 may work well enough to pull 2000lbs of boat and trailer on a sand/gravel beach. Or should a old larger american tractor work as well?




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MINH TAI CORPORATION

04-18-2003 10:00:43




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 Re: Used japanese tractors in reply to Dave 52, 03-13-2003 23:25:01  
Dear Sir/Madam:

We are a direct import/export company in Vietnam that specializes in selling used Japanese farm tractors. We export our tractors throughout the world. Our tractors are fully reconditioned and high quality tractors. We carry all kinds of tractors with brand names such as: Yanmar, Mitsubishi, Iseki, Kubota, Shibaura, Satoh, Hinomoto and many more… To satisfy our customers worldwide, we bought 4 giant warehouses on Highway 1 and Highway 20 in Vietnam to supply our customers with a large quantity of order. We also guarantee that our prices are competitive. We are seeking worldwide distributors for our tractors. Please let us know if you are interested to become our authorized distributor for our tractors. Please contact our representative office in California at 310-538-0724 or email: businesscenter@apcctran.com website: www.apcctran.com

Thank you for your time and we look forward to hear from you.

Sincerely,


Anthony Tran
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jls

03-14-2003 18:42:45




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 Re: Used japanese tractors in reply to Dave 52, 03-13-2003 23:25:01  
I got a grey Yanmar and have had no more problems with it than my other tractors, try finding a inline hydralic filter for a AC 190 early ser # or a front spindle for a case 530, loaders wern't very kind to them either. course it's fun to take the part into napa and toss it on the counter and tell the parts guy he doesn't want to know what it's out of. Thermostat from Ynmr 240 is out of a subaru brat. some off brands are't real common, lots of the chinese tractors had parts cast 1 at a time and fitted by convicts with files, others are almost as common as---well not WD45s but maybe AC 5040s.

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G Taylor

03-14-2003 07:53:14




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 Re: Used japanese tractors in reply to Dave 52, 03-13-2003 23:25:01  
Many of those grey market tractors have no or parts support only at extreme prices. Our local dealer Central east Tractor Supply sees broken hearted grey market tractor owners all the time. They carry and have access to parts for anything available. That bargin tractor priced isn't a bargin.



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BIG FAT BUT

03-14-2003 15:32:43




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 Re: Re: Used japanese tractors in reply to G Taylor, 03-14-2003 07:53:14  
You no what I think about japanese tractors I think they have BIg hair But My age 91 And that what I think



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Ben in KY

03-14-2003 09:41:33




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 Re: Re: Used japanese tractors in reply to G Taylor, 03-14-2003 07:53:14  
Yes, parts and service is the biggest problem with gray market tractors. JD has mostly blocked the Yanmar parts availability in this country. Now JD is trying the same thing on some Chinese tractors, since they have entered into a manufacturing agreement with a Chinese tractor manufacturer :(



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mike

03-14-2003 11:19:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Used japanese tractors in reply to Ben in KY, 03-14-2003 09:41:33  
you say john deere is blocking parts access i just bought all brake parts for a yanmar220d FROM john deere had no problem but did have to order them as they did not stock THERE IS A DIFFERENCE between grey market and jap import tractors good luck mike



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Ben in KY

03-14-2003 12:42:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Used japanese tractors in reply to mike, 03-14-2003 11:19:35  
Mike,
Sorry, yes there is a difference between the grey market tracs and the 'proper' imports. Have there been any 'proper' imported Yanmars in the USA recently though ? And how is one to know the difference ?



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dhermesc

03-14-2003 11:59:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Used japanese tractors in reply to mike, 03-14-2003 11:19:35  
JD is trying to block Yanmar from importing to the US, tired of JD Dealers screaming at JD Corporate because Yanmars sell so much cheaper then their models. They are the same tractor with with Green paint.

JD is also trying to block Chinese imports that JD claims are painted green and sold as JD clones, but they also included tractors painted red and blue just to cover all the bases. If John Deere wants to protect its name sake it would quit slapping its name and paint on everything in sight and and advertising it has having John Deere quality.

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mj

03-14-2003 15:23:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Used japanese tractors in reply to dhermesc, 03-14-2003 11:59:55  
What else runs like a Deere and smells like a..... ..... .?



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VaTom

03-14-2003 04:41:57




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 Re: Used japanese tractors in reply to Dave 52, 03-13-2003 23:25:01  
Dave,

I know my Japanese 25hp 4x4 would have no trouble doing that but I think you'll have a lot less repair with an older standard tractor. For me, 4x4 was necessary (steep slopes) and sometimes a small tractor is the only thing that'll fit, but my friends with standard Americans have had less trouble keeping theirs going. My engine is great. It's the other parts that tend to be a little too light duty. If you have any desire for a loader, make sure you get a tractor with one already on it. Good luck.

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Robert in W. Mi

03-14-2003 06:02:03




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 Re: Re: Used japanese tractors in reply to VaTom, 03-14-2003 04:41:57  
Hi Tom, I'm wondering what brand and model of tractor do you have, and what are the problems it's haveing?? Thanks, Robert



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VaTom

03-14-2003 07:22:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Used japanese tractors in reply to Robert in W. Mi, 03-14-2003 06:02:03  
Mornin' Robert,

The tractor this time (not my Cat problem over on the crawler board) is a Mitsubishi MT 250D, with no current problem, sold to a previous owner when there were dealerships. It gets maybe 150 hrs/yr use, total 1100 hrs. I've pulled the front end off of it twice.

The pivot point was extremely under-engineered for a tractor that came from the dealer with a loader. I now have a steel yoke holding it together, much stronger than when it left the factory with small cast iron and no hardened bushings in the mild steel. Getting that yoke built involved getting turned down by 4 machine shops until I finally found a machinist with imagination to match mine.

The clutch linkage failed as I went out last snowfall to clear our 1/2 mi. driveway that rises 400'. Turned out to be external linkage that I'd repaired before, just more metal fatigue from a too-small rod. Fortunately I wasn't far from the shop when it broke.

A couple of years ago my power steering sprung a leak that caused oil to gush out of the steering column. The seal in there wasn't adequate for the pressure. It's now been re-engineered also.

I've had trouble with too-small cast areas in the front axles that hold the bearings in place giving way and letting the bearings drift. Solution was either a new casting from Japan, amazingly a possibility, or more machine work to fabricate a steel ring to contain the bearing, which is what we did.

I'm not really complaining as it's done a huge amount of work for me but I'm headed to an auction tomorrow looking for something larger. Your Deutz dealer, that made my friend extremely happy, hasn't called me. My plan is to keep the Mitsubishi as I need a light tractor to drive on the underground house roofs that I build. I know, not something everybody needs to do.

Mostly I've just overworked it using the loader. I thought it was simply too small a front end for a loader until I saw a huge JD farm tractor with exactly the same pivot point problems. I believe my solution is to get an industrial loader. The front seals in the Mitsubishi will spring a leak if I pick up anywhere close to the 700 lbs. the loader is rated for. Hey, but it turns out that the seals are also used on Kubotas so they're easy to get- once you find out the Kubota part number. That took a LOT of phone calls.

As this is assuredly more than you wanted to know, I'll quit. The Mitsubishi's great until it breaks and I think that's getting rarer as I beef up the insufficient areas. I occasionally hang a Ford hoe with rigid under-frame off the back, which works very well.


Tom

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Dave 52

03-15-2003 18:59:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Used japanese tractors in reply to VaTom, 03-14-2003 07:22:46  
Hey, Wow, thanks for all the coments! If I need to set a loader this helps... but I have been asured by the used tractor dealers that parts are in supply. Yea, Yea, the checks in the mail and all that, But if its just to tow boat trailers and maybe use the 3pt to use a jib boom lift (500lbs cap) a 25hp 4x4 might work on a mixed sand gravel beach. I know we here in low land western Washing tion dont get a lot of snow. The salt water issue is something you in the midwest only know from the hyways. Think tractive effort..."Pulling" This is a great site... enjoy hearing from you all!!! Dave 52...(mental age 12)

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VaTom

03-16-2003 10:58:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Used japanese tractors in reply to Dave 52, 03-15-2003 18:59:25  
Hi Dave,

Parts availability doesn't seem to be much of a problem, other than waiting for it to be shipped in, sometimes from Japan. That Kubota seal I use was backed up 3 months for the US importer, warehoused in Oregon. (I was fortunate to get existing stock.) After attending an auction yesterday and seeing a couple of Satohs there, I wanted to caution you about relying too much on hp ratings.

Tractor weight is really what does the work. 4x4 will make up a lot of the difference but even within that, more weight's better. My 4x4 Mitsubishi, as outfitted, weighs around 5000 lbs. I saw a Satoh that was advertised as more hp than mine but was no more than 1/2 the tractor. No question which will do more pulling. Even with all my added weight (loader, liquid filled tires, rear wheel weights) I can dig holes in my gravel driveway trying to pull something a little too heavy. Not a serious problem, and no damage, just a little frustrating. For my weight, I have plenty of engine.

Clearly the best approach is to use the tractor for the intended application before buying it. Good luck with whatever you buy.

Tom

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Dave 52

03-17-2003 23:38:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Used japanese tractors in reply to VaTom, 03-16-2003 10:58:45  
VaTom, thanks for the words of wisdom... looks like the search contimues. Im having fun just checking around- cheep and easy. Ive checked another dealer and am surfing the web, Seems some good values in the small older American models. I ll look at state surplus rigs as the organization I represent is a not for profit. Saw a picture of a restored AC model IB in highway yellow!!! Dang! keep up the good work, dae

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Robert in W. Mi

03-14-2003 13:46:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Used japanese tractors in reply to VaTom, 03-14-2003 07:22:46  
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Hey Tom, My Deutz dealer you refered to use to sell Mitsubishi's and they had one or two loose the front ends too!!! Like i've always said, if you want something for HD work, stay from all of the compacts!! BTW, i use my AGCO for HD service all the time, and i've had NO front end problems of any kind!! Thanks for answering. Robert

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Skinner

03-15-2003 04:56:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Used japanese tractors in reply to Robert in W. Mi, 03-14-2003 13:46:14  
Your loader looks identical to a Koyker 310. I bought a 210 and pretty happy with it but I should have spent the extra few bucks and got the 310. ANyway, nice rig.



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Robert in W. Mi

03-15-2003 16:00:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Used japanese tractors in reply to Skinner, 03-15-2003 04:56:40  
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My loader is an ALO brand, and to date it's the best designed loader i've seen. It's rated to pick up 3,650 and seems tough as nails to me. The 1-1/8" thick loader frame work, is countoured (bent) to stay close to the tractor, and is bolted at several points on the tractor includeing to the rear axle. it's absolutely super strong!! I've loaded a lot of sand out of my sand pit with it, and it just keeps on working perfectly. The loader comes off in about 3 mins., and the bucket will come off in 15 seconds or less!! When you drive into the next tool, you lift the tool, roll it back, and it automaticly locks into place! A couple of my friends also have ALO loaders, and they really like theirs too. Robert

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VaTom

03-14-2003 18:51:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Used japanese tractors in reply to Robert in W. Mi, 03-14-2003 13:46:14  
Yeah Robert,

But where were you when I bought the Mitsubishi? Actually, at that time there were just about no used 4x4 tractors available around here. I've seen that picture before and the tires really tell the story. The maybe 100hp JD that failed like my compact made me wonder a lot. I guess you're saying your Agco is substantially better.

Tomorrow I'm looking at another Mitsubishi but it's articulated with a 4in1 bucket, 3000 lbs. Not exactly a compact and no way could I use it on a roof. Not expecting to bring it home, but it's an auction so you never know. When I first tuned in here I saw your opinion of compacts. You notice I never disagreed.

Tom

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CH

03-14-2003 16:18:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Used japanese tractors in reply to Robert in W. Mi, 03-14-2003 13:46:14  
I heard someone say once " Ya get what ya pay for"

Love the picture Robert



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mj

03-14-2003 15:20:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Used japanese tractors in reply to Robert in W. Mi, 03-14-2003 13:46:14  
A picture...as they say....!



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