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David UK

08-27-2002 16:17:41




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I'm in Scotland and am curious to know what the law is in the US about hauling trailers with, say, a road vehicle to transport a tractor. Here there are vehicle towing limits that mustn't be exceeded. My understand is that here trailers above 3.5 tons gross weigh need air brakes. Over-run brakes are the norm below that. Trailers under 750kg gross don't need brakes. There are NO 5th wheel pickup type units around. Electrically operated brakes are unacceptable here but popular in US I gather. Trailer width limit here is 2.3m for any towing vehicle under 3.5 tons or 2.55m for anything above that. Trailer length limit is 7m excluding drawbar. I see some massive rigs on links from this site in US and wonder what you guys are allowed to do.

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Kent Witcher

08-11-2003 18:55:54




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 Re: Hauling tractors in reply to David UK, 08-27-2002 16:17:41  
I haul tractors and farm equipment. I have a Ford F-350 ton truck and a 37' gooseneck trailer w/ tandem dual axles. I have electric over hydraulic brakes on both axles. I haul just about anything I want to up and down the road especially within 100 miles of home. I live in North east Arkansas. I've grossed over 45,000 lbs and exceeded 20' in width numerous times. My rig alone weighs about 18,000 lbs Pretty much if I can get it on the trailer I'll move it. If I have to go out of state or hit the interstate highway system this kind of attitude won't fly though. Interstate commerce laws are a whole different story than state laws on state highways.

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John Ne.

08-27-2002 21:48:20




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 Re: Hauling tractors in reply to David UK, 08-27-2002 16:17:41  
Here in the US, the laws vary quite a bit from state to state, state laws apply even on federal highways. It also depends on where you live, the western states may be more lenient than the more congested eastern part. Many states let any agricultural trucks go right past the weigh scales, which are run by the dept. of roads. 5th wheel trailers have gained in popularity, so much easier to back up, and maneuver. Most of the trucks we use to haul with, weigh from 5,000 to 9,000 lbs. that is, 3/4 ton to 1 ton duallies. And most are powered with gas or diesels from 5.5 litre to 8 litre, The Dodge V-10 is that size. Electrical trailer brakes are the norm, at least ten times more popular than the hydraulic surge brakes. I've never seen air brakes on anything less than a 2.5 ton truck, and only once on a trailer. Only time the police really crack down is with faulty lights on the trailer, or something grossly overloaded. Have to remember we have so many miles of highway that are very lightly patrolled. And when we license our rigs, they generally aren't inspected, at least by the licensing people. Some states have no vehicle inspection at all, while others check tires, brakes lights, very closely and aren't afraid to fail a vehicle. You should see some of the 5th wheel(goose neck) trailers hauling 3 tractors, behind a crew cab dually pickup that is almost 28 ft. long by itself. John in Nebraska

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Steve - IN

08-27-2002 18:20:05




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 Re: Hauling tractors in reply to David UK, 08-27-2002 16:17:41  
Nobody wants to do the conversion, I guess. 2.55 meters wide is about 100 inches. 7 meters length is about 23 feet.

Seems to me that most full size US tractors made after about '70 or '75 couldn't move along the roads in Scotland. And there are a whole lot of trailers here longer than 23 feet.

Your redcoats could have done us a favor in 1775. When they went to Lexington and Concord to confiscate muskets, they could have taken Paul Revere's horse while they were at it. Taking the muskets gave us the 2nd Amendment -- keep and bear firearms. If they'd taken the horse we would have had an amendment to guarantee free and unfettered transport. The idea that a drivers license is a privilege and you need a security check now - least in this state - wouldn't be around. I guess the redcoats and Hanovers didn't do you any favors after Culloden either, so I shouldn't be barking up your tree. They tax your gasoline and Diesel unmercifully and you can't run anything that will cover a lot of ground quickly. Seems they want you to just stay put and shut up except when they send you to colonize Northern Ireland or off to join the BlackWatch. I guess we should say thanks for sending us the likes of Andrew Carnegie and a lot of other Scots that came this way -- my wife had a Mc type Scots name, so I gotta watch the P's and Q's.

Anyway, in this state, max width for free is 102 inches (2.59m). 102 to to 144" (3.65m) gets you wacked with more licensing fees. Above 144 inches requires a special permit. A single vehicle can be up to than 36 feet (10.97m) in length with no special tax. A "truck / trailer combination " can go up to 53 feet (16.15m) in length. Other states may vary slightly.

Hope that answers your question, and you'll take or leave the opinions as you will. Take care over there and enjoy that Scotch whiskey we pay so dearly for over here!

Steve

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John (C-IL)

08-27-2002 17:59:00




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 Re: Hauling tractors in reply to David UK, 08-27-2002 16:17:41  
This is my rig. 1997 GMC Crew Cab Dually. 454 CI engine. The whole rig is 52 feet long and is licensed for 26,000 pounds. I can haul 2 tractors and still be well within my weight limit. third party image



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Jim T

08-27-2002 19:23:24




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 Re: Re: Hauling tractors in reply to John (C-IL), 08-27-2002 17:59:00  
John, shoot me your e-mail to discuss a spot in October at the local senic drive to sell raffle tickets for the S55. Located in Knoxville, Il. Thanks. Jim T



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Sorry for the little photo

08-27-2002 18:03:55




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Steve - IN

08-27-2002 16:39:09




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 Re: Hauling tractors in reply to David UK, 08-27-2002 16:17:41  
We get away with a lot more, I suppose. We don't have to put license plates on our tractors, either.

It'll takes a while for some intelligent comment because you're talking in metric and we speak in in the inch/pound system that some guys from the UK gave us -- but electric brakes controlled by little silicon chips that measure G forces are the hot setup here.



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