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Mark/

06-16-2007 04:35:10




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Just curious as to how many others have dealt with Inheritance issues??? Seems like brothers and sisters can all agree, and get along until it comes to inheritance. Then its each to his own. My Wife"s sister is going to get everything it appears, and of course my Wife feels bitter. Which I cant blame her.. I feel that the Lord has blessed us regardless, and we should be thankful. Nevertheless, it will destroy a family!!!

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dave guest

06-19-2007 21:14:58




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 Re: Inheritance issues,, in reply to Mark/, 06-16-2007 04:35:10  
One with the best lawyer wins. I hope if I am the remaining partner, I can give everybody everything before I go so there is nothing to fight over. So then you die in poverty and starve to death.



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730virgil

06-16-2007 14:03:16




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 Re: Inheritance issues,, in reply to Mark/, 06-16-2007 04:35:10  
friends of mine had uncle and aunt who had 2 daughters. uncle married later in life to woman who had several children one reputed to be slick lawyer and another slick realtor(already sounds like trouble). the sisters didn't get anything on parents death they were to get farm and cash after brother died. well he died and had no will leaving everything to his wife who had done a good job of going thru his money. she also treated husband like dog poo as did her kids. the sisters got almost nothing from their parents estate.

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John (C-IL)

06-16-2007 13:02:13




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 Re: Inheritance issues,, in reply to Mark/, 06-16-2007 04:35:10  
Sadly I see this all too often also. Remember that you came into this world with nothing and you will leave with nothing.



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37 chief

06-16-2007 12:53:57




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 Re: Inheritance issues,, in reply to Mark/, 06-16-2007 04:35:10  
Mark, it doesn't seam right for your wife's sister to get everything. I think it is time to see a estate attourney. This may cause more hard feelings, and your wife may not want more family trouble, which may already be beyond repairing. My Dad passed away in 92, and my Mom died about 2 years ago. Mom had a will, and everything was recorded, My brother got the house, and I got the barn with another 100 year old house. I am ok with the arangement, because my brother lived with Mom and watched out for her. He never got married. Now the only problem is comming up with the 3-4 hundred thousand to devide the properity, City wants the properity subdevided new road, old roads paved, burried utilities for starters. So for now the land just sets, but we have complete use of it, and I can work on my old tractors, and have a place to keep them and I'm happy. Stan

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Mike (WA)

06-17-2007 06:42:41




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 Re: Inheritance issues,, in reply to 37 chief, 06-16-2007 12:53:57  
You might check your state laws- In Washington, if property is divided in a will, you bypass all developement regulations (even parcel size rules). Drives the bureaucrats nuts, because they can't stick their noses in.



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Ray

06-16-2007 13:24:24




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 Re: Inheritance issues,, in reply to 37 chief, 06-16-2007 12:53:57  
My sister died at the age of 52 last year,i'm here next of kin.She left a 2 million dollar estate and i didn't get a penny.She had 4 step children whom she had never seen take it all.



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dds-inc

06-16-2007 12:41:28




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 Re: Inheritance issues,, in reply to Mark/, 06-16-2007 04:35:10  
greed, jealousy and newborn family resentment. That's why our parents are considered the only thing holding brothers and sisters together. Soon as they are gone, out comes the guns and they kill each other.



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Joe in MN.

06-16-2007 06:52:43




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 Re: Inheritance issues,, in reply to Mark/, 06-16-2007 04:35:10  
IT'S ALL IN THE NAME OF (( GREED ))



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John T Country Lawyer

06-16-2007 05:42:24




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 Re: Inheritance issues,, in reply to Mark/, 06-16-2007 04:35:10  
I do some limited estate work as part of my semi retired country law practice and see some sad things when mom or dad pass away. It seems it never fails, daughter Mary lives next door and does all the work n takes care of mom n works like a slave and pays lots of expenses,,,,, ,, buttttt tt when mom passes away its big shot brother Johnny who never visits or helps and lives 2000 miles away who comes in and takes over and bosses n bullies everyone else grrrrr rrrrr rrrr

If our aging parents want the kids to have an inheritance its EITHER purchase Long Term Care Insurance, but if not, bill collectors, doctors, hospitals, medicare etc. etc. may get all their assetts UNLESS they do some planning like 5 years BEFORE they require nursing home care, such as disposing of their assetts by giving them to the kids or use a NON REVOCABLE TRUST and other things such as Deed the home to the kids but reserve a Life Estate etc. I advise aging clients ITS BEST NOT TO OWN ANYTHING WHEN THEY GET OLD..... .....That coupled with a good Will and Durable Power of Attorney plus Appointment of a Health Care Representative (Health care Power of Attorney), Joint Survivorship Accounts etc. EXECUTED WHILE THE PARENT IS STILL MENTALLY COMPETENT can save a ton of time and expense and hard feelings later. Sure, its business for us lawyers, buttttt tttt its wayyyyy less expensive to do a few things while the parent is competent versus afterwards when doctors and medical experts n courts n lawyers etc etc are required to do a full blown and often contested Guardianship.

As far as Wills and wanting the kids to share equal or dis inheriting a child they dont like, seems the child who vists the most is the one the aging parent remembers and prefers and its best to have them execute wills longgggg g before mental competency can ever be questioned.

Nuff said, yall take care and be good to your kids, they're the ones who choose your nursing home lol

John T Retired Electrical Engineer n Country Lawyer in Indiana

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Hal/WA

06-18-2007 20:04:02




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 Re: Inheritance issues,, in reply to John T Country Lawyer, 06-16-2007 05:42:24  
Well put. My Mom is 91 and really in pretty good shape. She quit driving a couple of years ago, so that is no longer a worry, and the last land contract she owned finished paying off last year. So she doesn't really own much of anything except for some money in the bank. Luckily she has pretty good income from my Dad's pension.

After my Dad died 14 years ago, my oldest sister began trying to run my Mom's life. She talked Mom into putting her in total charge of her estate (and thought she should be PAID for helping to care for Mom). My sister cancelled the long term care policy I had set up for my Mom and did a bunch of other questionable things that seemed to be only to favor her and not in Mom's best interest. So we talked to Mom's lawyer and with Mom's approval had the will changed so any major decisions concerning Mom or her estate have to be approved by at least 2 of my siblings. My sister of course got mad that she lost total control, but it was worth it. I really think she would have put Mom in a nursing home.

Maybe someday Mom will need to go to a nursing home, but not yet, and not in the forseeable future. We got her a new long term care policy, but instead of it costing about $3000/year, the new one cost over $5000/year, with somewhat lower benefits. But with Mom's income and the LTC policy, if she does need to be in a nursing home, it should be doable. I just could not convince my sister that the insurance was a good deal...

Mom has a fair amount of money, and has been "gifting" $10K per year to her 4 surviving children. Hopefully when she passes, there will not be much left, but whatever there is will be equally divided--I will see to that.

Helping my Mom is some work, but I am glad to be able to do it. I keep accurate records that are in Mom's apartment and urge my siblings to check the records any time they want to--they are accurate, to the penny! And I would never consider accepting anything in payment for helping Mom. I OWE HER more than I could ever repay for all the times she has helped and cared for me. I love my Mom and want the best for her.

It sounds like you are a pretty SMART country lawyer who thinks similarly to what I do. Good luck!

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Mark/

06-16-2007 05:58:14




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 Re: Inheritance issues,, in reply to John T Country Lawyer, 06-16-2007 05:42:24  
All, The death of their Mother was quite sudden, She took ill aobut 2 months ago. Two Sisters are invlolved.. No Will. My wife consented and gave power of attorny to her sister, beliving she would be fair and impartial.. What more can I say????



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Walt Davies

06-16-2007 07:47:32




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 Re: Inheritance issues,, in reply to Mark/, 06-16-2007 05:58:14  
I hate to say it Mark but your wife is the one who gave it all away. Never trust anyone to be fair and impartial when money is the subject.
Live and learn I guess is about all I can say now.

My aunt died and left some money to my dad who died 2 months before her so it was to be divided up between 7 of us kids. Well the cousin who was doing the dividing dug up an old divorce paper from the 30's that said that Dad did not claim to be the father of two of my sisters. Long story but they got nothing and I got $5000 big deal. What was funny was that all my two sisters had to do was take their birth certificates to the court and they would have got their meager share. That $5000 was the only thing that I ever got from my father as he didn't even know that I existed since mother and dad were divorced before I was born. Some people wonder why I never wanted to go see him but you don't have feelings for someone that you have never met or heard from in 50 years. Its awful when parents die and leave everything in a mess for the kids to sort out. My wife is 82 and she is mad at both kids so she doesn't want them to get anything an so far with the farm I'm worth about 3/4 of million that's not chicken feed to a couple of kids. Walt

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John T

06-16-2007 06:46:12




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 Re: Inheritance issues,, in reply to Mark/, 06-16-2007 05:58:14  
Mark, The POA expired at death (has nothing to do with what happens after death, that requires a Will), as far as any POA actions taken when the mom was alive, the law imposes a very strict and enforceable fiduciary duty against the agent to act in the best interest of the Principal and NOT take any unfair advantage..... . The POA cant normally for example give everything to themselves while acting as the agent, such is highly suspect at law (subject to what powers were granted in the POA) when theres more then one child.

If she passed with no will, the estate passes to her heirs, and if there were 2 kids and no spouse, sounds like half to each daughter PERIOD

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MarkB_MI

06-16-2007 05:16:33




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 Re: Inheritance issues,, in reply to Mark/, 06-16-2007 04:35:10  
Mark, you didn't say whose estate this is, or how the estate is being split up. If your wife is legally entitled to a share of the estate, then her siblings can only deprive her of her share if she agrees to it. Some things to consider:

It may be that your wife's siblings feel that her sister is entitled to the entire estate because she did something extraordinary. For example, if she gave up several years of her life to take care of her parents, then it's only fair that she should get some compensation. (This happened in my family, and it caused a lot of bitterness on the part of a family member who did nothing, but expected an equal share of the estate.)

Even if there is a will, the law still takes precedence over the will. For example, joint tenancy takes precedence over a will; a husband can't will his share of property in which his wife is a joint tenant. (My wife's father "willed" his house to his son. This created some hard feelings, given that the son was not legally entitled to the house, since his mother was still alive and had no intentions of giving the house to him.)

My suggestion is that you and your wife first try to put yourselves in the position of her sister and other siblings and see if you can agree with their point of view. If you can't see it their way, and there is significant property involved, then you should retain a lawyer. If it's a small estate, then I would just write it off; life is too short to waste it on fights with your own family.

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MarkB_MI

06-16-2007 09:50:25




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 Re: Inheritance issues,, in reply to John T, 06-16-2007 05:58:09  
John,

No, I'm not a lawyer, although I probably watched too many Perry Mason reruns growing up. Like you, I was educated as a double-E but moved on to other things.

I have had some exposure to estate law through the deaths of my father and father-in-law. My father died intestate, while my FIL had both a will and trust. I'll argue with anyone who says you're necessarily better off with a will and a trust; from what I've seen it has a lot more to do with how the heirs choose to behave than what's written down on paper.

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Vern-MI

06-16-2007 05:07:48




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 Re: Inheritance issues,, in reply to Mark/, 06-16-2007 04:35:10  
Too late now but parents can be very strange and possesive right up to the end. Instead of giving the things that they want distributed to the ones they want to receive they hold onto the treasured items and wealth right into death. It's almost as though they want a fight to commence upon their death. A health care power of attorney, Durable power of attorney, and a Revocable living trust are an absolute must. Even then the person with the Power of Attorney can take an unequal share of the estate. Better to give before death to reduce the chance of conflict.

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Gary from Muleshoe

06-16-2007 05:33:32




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 Re: Inheritance issues,, in reply to Vern-MI, 06-16-2007 05:07:48  
Check your legal facts, powers of attorney living trusts are null and void upon the death of the person who they are for. A will is the only thing that stays in effect after death. I have been through 5 deaths in the past three years I have learned a lot about this type of stuff.



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Midwest redneck

06-16-2007 04:58:52




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 Re: Inheritance issues,, in reply to Mark/, 06-16-2007 04:35:10  
From my own experience here: Last October my FIL died. MIL is still alive, she is also a smoker and may live only 5 years or so. After my FIL died I asked my MIL to get a will made up because my wife and her sister would split a $180K home and some cash. (I dont trust my sister-in-law.) My sister in law wouldnt even pay for the flowers for her dads funeral, because she didnt have the money. (even though she got my FIL's 1998 explorer truck for free from my MIL.) Just like the good book says "who ever will be dishonest with a little will be dishonest with a lot" Try to work it out with a will. Or living trust. good luck.

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TomTX

06-16-2007 10:20:49




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 Re: Inheritance issues,, in reply to Midwest redneck, 06-16-2007 04:58:52  
It is your wife's mother and it solely up to her to have those discussions with her mother, and it is up to her what SHE wants. Best for in-laws to stay out of it. Tom



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Midwest redneck

06-16-2007 05:01:21




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 Re: Oh yeah... in reply to Midwest redneck, 06-16-2007 04:58:52  
I want the inheritance that my wife would get from her mom to pay for my sons college education and I dont want my SIL to cheat my son out of that.



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Gary from Muleshoe

06-16-2007 04:48:31




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 Re: Inheritance issues,, in reply to Mark/, 06-16-2007 04:35:10  
Speaking from experience, we all need to encourage our loved ones to do a will of testament. It helps to cut out the bitterness because it is the wishes of the deceased. I have observed my wife's family go through lots because no will was drawn up prior to death. Thankfully her Grandparents had there wills in place and all went smooth. Although a will of testament can be challenged it does make people think before they jump into a legal issue.

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