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Tim B from MA

06-15-2007 11:17:57




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I have a saying about hardware stores:

The little mom and pop stores have a dozen of everything you need. Home Cheapo and Lowedown have a hundred of half of what you need.

Another case in point. After much cajoling my 17-year old took out the old and bolted in the new tranny in his walk-behind last night. Needed a 3/4 by 3/16 Woodruf key as the one on the old tranny shaft was lodged in too well to be removed without ruining something (that tranny will likely be repaired soon).

Well, it's 7:15 pm, but Ahh, I saw Woodruf Keys at Lowe's! So he doesn't get too discouraged I'll run and get one (I was so happy he picked up a wrench, even if I had to shame him into it!) Of course, they only had a smattering of sizes, just enough to be able to say they got them and to make me drive the 12 mile round trip and waste an hour of my precious time (the older you get, the more precious it is). #<*%)!ing LOWEs !

Let's see ... Auto Zone across the street. Not only didn't the kid at the counter not know what they were, they didn't even have any (I went behind the counter and looked!) Consumer Auto Parts? They have a drawer with a bunch of lables for the sizes they had when the bought the drawer full of Woodruf keys, but all the bins for the sizes people use were empty. Including 3/4x3/16.

Elmwood Adams - small store in downtown Worcester Massachusetts, 100 yds from my dungeon (my boss calls it an office), 220 years in business - nice selection of Woodruf key sizes and about a dozen of each. Thank you very much!

From now on, I'll wait till the next morning and go to Elmwood Adams every time I need something smaller than a ceiling fan, or home and office ice machine.

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Clarkbug

06-16-2007 09:19:30




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 Re: 100 of half of what you need in reply to Tim B from MA, 06-15-2007 11:17:57  
It sounds like this Sprags place was quite the store, I have to say. Im originally from Upstate NY, but have recently located to Northern Virginia for work. Not lots of tractors or places to tinker with good projects, but I have found a great hardware store that sounds much like this place. Its called Fischers Hardware, and is in Springfield, VA. All sorts of stuff that you didnt know you needed, but they have it. Tons of sales people who actually know what they are doing, even if they are a little "quirky" for lack of a better word... But I was able to get all sorts of things that no one else carried. They are even technically a True Value hardware store, but I dont see much of anything in there that fits with a franchise operation.
I highly suggest it to anyone that might be in this neck of the woods. I hope they keep going, because the mom and pop stores really are just better places to shop.

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Bret4207

06-16-2007 04:53:29




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 Re: 100 of half of what you need in reply to Tim B from MA, 06-15-2007 11:17:57  
Lowes was a giant step up from our local hardware stores. Now THATS sad.



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hay

06-16-2007 04:47:10




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 Re: 100 of half of what you need in reply to Tim B from MA, 06-15-2007 11:17:57  
ever wonder why the employees at Lowes or HD have name tags on their aprons? mebbe it's because they are so dumb that they need that name tag to remind themselves of their name? our local hardware store was great until the present owner took on ACE hardware some years ago. now it is still better than the big box stores, but nowhere near like the old timey hardware store that it was. the knowledgable staff is long gone and a lot of odd parts are no longer stocked and not available. so the saying goes: if it is not in the computer parts list, then it does not exist. even the present owner is not in the store much anymore because he himself does not even know what is stocked now. the computer and floor manager takes care of all that. a sad state of affairs in america now. no one knows didly about anything and computers rule our lives with an iron fist.

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Steve A W

06-15-2007 20:57:15




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 Re: 100 of half of what you need in reply to Tim B from MA, 06-15-2007 11:17:57  
Our local Mom & Pop sold to their son .
He went Ace, Now its no fun to go there any more.



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MarkB_MI

06-15-2007 19:44:05




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 Re: 100 of half of what you need in reply to Tim B from MA, 06-15-2007 11:17:57  
Tim, you're dead on. Although the small hardware stores are dropping like flies, the better ones are doing quite well by stocking stuff that people actually need, and charging accordingly.

There is nothing that gets my dander up like making a trip to HD to buy a common item, only to find that either they don't stock it, they no longer stock it, or they do stock it but you have to buy a box of a hundred even though you just need one. And even if they do stock the item, you can't find it half the time because they moved it to a different part of the store and nobody knows where. Also, it doesn't seem to matter if you find what you need or not, you waste at least half an hour anytime you go to HD.

I make it a point to visit my local hardware store at least once a week and buy something, even if I could buy it cheaper at HD. I fear for the day the last mom and pop hardware store closes.

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PhilcaseinWPA

06-15-2007 14:03:04




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 Re: 100 of half of what you need in reply to Tim B from MA, 06-15-2007 11:17:57  
yep and if you don't check every item you pull out of a bin you'll end up with at least 1 out of every 3 being the wrong one. Just happened to me last night. And is any thing made anywhere but China anymore?
Phil



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Cue P.

06-15-2007 13:57:41




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 Re: 100 of half of what you need in reply to Tim B from MA, 06-15-2007 11:17:57  
Elmwood Adams...living down the block on the RI border and having gone to school at WPI, i should know where it is but alas do not. But, i will look it up and visit as soon as possible> I agree about big box hardware stores - everytime i go i end up with only the bolt but not the nut 'cause the bins empty (or worse yet mislabeled) or 2 out of the 5 things i need. Sure do miss Spag's too. Many a saturday night was spent tagging along behind mom and dad to stock up on whatever we needed.

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Tim B from MA

06-16-2007 06:21:32




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 Re: 100 of half of what you need in reply to Cue P., 06-15-2007 13:57:41  
Cue P,

Elmwood Adams is on the north end of Main Street almost across from the new Court House. It is worth stopping in when you are in town, especially if you need an odd nut or the like.



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1936

06-15-2007 13:50:31




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 Re: 100 of half of what you need in reply to Tim B from MA, 06-15-2007 11:17:57  
One of the better hard ware stores and is still open after a 100 plus years is in down town Des Plaines, IL. The unique thing is nothing in the store is priced. Untold thousands of items. Store for the trades people. The best I have seen was in Superior, WS now closed. I spent several hours in the store and did not see it all. Another old one. Had a bear trap in the window.



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730virgil

06-15-2007 12:46:48




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 Re: 100 of half of what you need in reply to Tim B from MA, 06-15-2007 11:17:57  
here in northren il southren wi farm & fleet used to be a good store. they still are for some things. nuts,bolts and nails are iffy any more. you have a better chance of getting a john deere coffee cup or coffee maker. ace hardware is far better to find stuff wally world er walmart better left where you found it.



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Fawteen

06-15-2007 12:40:23




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 Re: 100 of half of what you need in reply to Tim B from MA, 06-15-2007 11:17:57  
Ain't that the truth? I try to buy as much as I can from the little fellers what's been in the business all their lives and know a Woodruff key from a claw hammer.

Ya go to Deep Homo, and ya wind up with some pierced and tattooed whack-job with an attitude and no clue, and they probably don't have it even if Zippy the Pinhead COULD be convinced to go look for it.



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Don-Wi

06-15-2007 12:26:50




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 Re: 100 of half of what you need in reply to Tim B from MA, 06-15-2007 11:17:57  
The local Ace isn't too bad, but they don't quite have everything we need- the local automotive places are good like Napa and automotive supply yet, otherwise you're better off going to the dealer for some stuff.

Ace moved out of they're crappy location where they used ot run a feedmill in downtown (put the road straight through the old feedmill) and now they're closer and with a better store. Put the True Value out of business... but that guy couldn't adapt to the times very well and sold a little bit of everything-not selling to any particular person, so no particular person would shop there...

Donovan from Wisconsin

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mjbrown

06-15-2007 11:53:58




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 Re: 100 of half of what you need in reply to Tim B from MA, 06-15-2007 11:17:57  
Nothing at Spags or are they gone now?



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Tim B from MA

06-15-2007 12:12:33




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 Re: 100 of half of what you need in reply to mjbrown, 06-15-2007 11:53:58  
My mother-in-law had a great saying about Spags. "The only thing wrong with Spags was you end up leaving with a bunch of stuff you didn't know you needed till you saw it." Mr. Borgatti was a marketing genius in his way.

Sorry to say, Spags is long gone. They did have all that stuff though - I always used to say that if Spags sold lumber there would be no need to go to Sommerville Lumber (gone), Grossman's (essentially gone), Home Quarters (gone thank God), and Home Cheapo. (Lowe's of Mass was just a gleam in the eye of some greedy Lowedown robber baron at the time).

Spags was in decline after Mr. Borgatti died and his daughters took it over. Everyone blamed them but they were fighting an up hill battle against "just-in-time delivery". (That's where you need to buy your winter stuff in summer and summer stuff in winter, or the store will be all out) Spags became "Spags 19" for several years (owned by Building 19) but went into steeper decline. Now it is just a sad, mostly empty Building 19.

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Matt from CT

06-15-2007 12:42:16




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 Re: 100 of half of what you need in reply to Tim B from MA, 06-15-2007 12:12:33  
Never could bring myself to go in there after the "19" went on the building.

I can remember back in the late 70s / early 80s long before big box stores making the annual trip there to get school stuff for me & my four sisters. Going to Spags once or twice a year was quite an adventure!

Prices written in permenant marker (no price guns).
No shopping carts.
No shopping bags -- grab an empty cardboard box.
Aisles you'd walk the entire distance of...sideways :)

And somehow, Spag made everybody love that damn store.

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Tim B from MA

06-15-2007 21:18:45




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 Re: 100 of half of what you need in reply to Matt from CT, 06-15-2007 12:42:16  
Spags was such a great, unique store, it really was a cultural center of this area. Like your family, Mat, people from all over New England used to make special trips once or a few times a year.

I remember I was leaving the store once, as I'm walking along to my car, it was late the 80s or so, before shopping carts. A lady with her arms full of early Christmas presents just started bubbling over telling me how great Spags is. She was from Ct and she said her husband sennt her there with a wad of cash every year to Christmas shop and she was just unbeleiveably happy with what she found and the prices she just had to share it with someone!

I grew up in Shrewsbury and the next town over (Boylston) and I used to love to go there with my parents, and as a parent and a home owner, and I miss it like most people around here do. Damn, I'm getting teary eyed now just thinking about it.

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mjbrown

06-15-2007 13:59:27




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 Re: 100 of half of what you need in reply to Matt from CT, 06-15-2007 12:42:16  
I guess I knew that come to think of it. I'm in Worchester once a year for Eastern Sprints on Lake Quinsig. I rig/fix the boats for Cornell Crew. I went to Spags once years ago to buy sheet lead to tape into a boat that didn't meet the 205lb. minimum weight. I recall it as a higgly-piggly mess but they had what I needed. They sold quite a bit of lead to the teams that year.



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Matt from CT

06-15-2007 11:44:51




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 Re: 100 of half of what you need in reply to Tim B from MA, 06-15-2007 11:17:57  
>Elmwood Adams - small store in downtown >Worcester Massachusetts, 100 yds from my dungeon

Oh come on, they're not that old.

>In 1782 in the north end of Worcester >Massachusetts stood a hardware store owned by >Daniel Waldo. Goods such as saddles, oil lamps, >shovels and hand tools were bought, sold and >traded. Forty years or so later a gentleman >named Henry Miller purchased the store from >Daniel Waldo and in 1869 Miller's young >apprentice Elwood Adams bought the store and >changed it's name. The store continued in >operation under ownership of Elwood Adams's son >Robert Adams till 1947 .The store changed hands >a few times until two young enthusiastic >Frenchmen decided to take a go at running the >business. Maurice Champagne and Nelson Cloutier >kept the name Elwood Adams and opened in1958 to >serve the Worcester Community.

I used to work at 20 Franklin. As I'm typing this, I'm up at 51 Channing back behind UMass Memorial. :p

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barnrat

06-15-2007 11:24:43




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 Re: 100 of half of what you need in reply to Tim B from MA, 06-15-2007 11:17:57  
I'm only a bit older then your son and I agree with you totally cept you can add TSC to that list too. Unfortunatly we lost our mom and pop hardware/feed/farm supply last year.



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