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Removing and Installing Rear Tractor Rubber

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Amateur Mechani

09-20-2001 20:34:40

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I'd like to give a try at removing and installing a set of 9 X 24" rear tractor tires from one set of rims to another. I know I can get a tire shop to do it but this time I'd like to see if I can accomplish the job myself. Or maybe I'm fooling myself and the job is best left to the professionals (who personally I think rip a guy off big time). There is no fluid involved in either end of the flip. If you know how from start to finish, I'd appreciate your help and recommendations. Please mention the tools, etc. that a guy would need too.

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Ol Chief

04-22-2004 20:39:26

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Re: Removing and Installing Rear Tractor Rubber - in reply to Amateur Mechanic, 09-20-2001 20:34:40

I have read all the posts.Been there,done that numerous times.Have stood my backhoe loader bucket on tires also placed the hoe on tires with out breaking loose.Only accomplished damage to the bead.Since those many attempts and wasted days I prefer to load the tire and wheel assembly on my truck and haul it to the tire store.They had it off and remounted and loaded in 40 minutes.I saved the service call charge but paid $50.00.I reckon I saved a day and a half of my time.This is just my experience.I admit I have done a few easy ones,but for me it's a pure waste of time these days.

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RodMI

09-21-2001 22:20:27

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Re: Removing and Installing Rear Tractor Rubber - How's it done ??? in reply to Amateur Mechanic, 09-20-2001 20:34:40

This mite help

Change Tire

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Good Website

09-22-2001 03:32:02

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Re: Re: Removing and Installing Rear Tractor Rubber - How's it done ??? in reply to RodMI, 09-21-2001 22:20:27

Thanks. Pictures are worth a thousand words.. ralph

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jake

09-21-2001 22:20:02

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Re: Removing and Installing Rear Tractor Rubber - How's it done ??? in reply to Amateur Mechanic, 09-20-2001 20:34:40

I recently had a tire that I drained the chloride fom[13.6 x 26] and it resisted everything. Finally put a floor jack with the wheel next to the rim and wrapped a chain around the rim, tire and jack. pressure from the jack wheel broke it leaving chunks of rubber on the rim. Don't think I would try this on tires to be reused. Anyway this worked for me.

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Jim T

09-21-2001 20:51:12

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Re: Removing and Installing Rear Tractor Rubber - How's it done ??? in reply to Amateur Mechanic, 09-20-2001 20:34:40

John, I've been changing tires WAY too long to know the good points from the bad expressed here. My only comment is NEVER EVER use a petrolium based product to break the beads or as a lubricant. Good luck Jim

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john d

09-21-2001 20:13:57

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Re: Removing and Installing Rear Tractor Rubber - How's it done ??? in reply to Amateur Mechanic, 09-20-2001 20:34:40

Have fun. If that tire's been on there a long time, I'd rather have a root-canal.

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Duner Wi

09-21-2001 19:22:57

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Re: Removing and Installing Rear Tractor Rubber - How's it done ??? in reply to Amateur Mechanic, 09-20-2001 20:34:40

You have much info already but here is how I did a 10X28 yesterday. Tire had fluid and had been on the rim for over 30 years, also was very rusted.
I pounded for 2 hours with no luck so I got the jack hammer out with apropriate blade. Still took me 15 minutes to get one bead broke. never had a tire that mean before.
Hats off to the professionals.

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KWB

09-21-2001 18:58:56

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Re: Removing and Installing Rear Tractor Rubber - How's it done ??? in reply to Amateur Mechanic, 09-20-2001 20:34:40

I like the high-lift jack method. In the past I had borrowed my neighbors sliding-hammer type tire tool, a lot better than using a hammer, but still a lot of work. I recently used a hi-lift jack to take some tires off a 39B. They had been on a long time and had fluid in them. I thought the jack method worked better than anything else I've tried. You need to have something solid, like another tractor, to brace the jack against when doing the outside bead. I liked not having to remove the wheel from the tractor too.

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Jim

09-21-2001 19:22:53

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Re: Re: Removing and Installing Rear Tractor Rubber - How's it done ??? in reply to KWB, 09-21-2001 18:58:56

Let the air out of the tire,Jack up the tractor, block it so it doesnt fall, Get a good flat iron , (I use a old grub hoe with a short handle)and put it in the bead, whack it a few times with a big hammer till the bead "breaks" careful you dont cut the bead,get the bead broke on the outside and the inside(inside is the hardest) after its broke start pryin the bead over the rim, do the outside then the inside, when you get it started you can use a hammer to keep it coming off, just hit the bead as it is coming off the rim,, Good Luck

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cliff

09-21-2001 18:06:30

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Re: Removing and Installing Rear Tractor Rubber - How's it done ??? in reply to Amateur Mechanic, 09-20-2001 20:34:40

i have changed alot of tires here on the farm and one of the best bead breakers i have found is a high lift jack (handyman) just put on top of the tire and tap it under the rim and start operating the handle i guess i better mention you have to have something heavy to jack against but it sure saves alot of pounding

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Frank

09-21-2001 18:06:03

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Re: Removing and Installing Rear Tractor Rubber - How's it done ??? in reply to Amateur Mechanic, 09-20-2001 20:34:40

The guys gave you some good advice. Go ahead and try it yourself.After you're through, I think you'll have a little more respect for the tire men. They make tire mounting look easy because they've learned all the tricks that can't be described. It takes practice to know just where to hit and how hard, where to pry, and where not to.
Good luck with your project.
Frank

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paul

09-21-2001 16:01:21

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Re: Removing and Installing Rear Tractor Rubber - How's it done ??? in reply to Amateur Mechanic, 09-20-2001 20:34:40

I woulda e-mailed pics of my tire irons iffa youda left an address.

Some take the wheel off, put a plank on, and drive another tractor on the plank, breaking the bead. Never worked well for me.

Some have a big heavy tire iron, a blacksmith hammer, and a LOT of pounding. Leave the tire/rim on the tractor, just jack up & block WELL. This has worked for me.

There is a little hydraulic, screw, or air-poowered gadget that the pros use that grabs the rim, & pushes the bead off. Gemplers (www.gemplers.com) sells one that you could look at for example. The good spendy one the pros use at my place works well, don't know how the smaller Gempler's type work for you or me.

Break the bead on both sides, and the rest is pretty easy.

--->Paul

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Franz

09-21-2001 16:32:11

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Re: Re: Removing and Installing Rear Tractor Rubber - How's it done ??? in reply to paul, 09-21-2001 16:01:21

Best thing I've found for breaking beads on tractor tires is a wood splittin wedge with the workin end ground down to round. That and a good 6# hammer has broken a lot of them loose.
Another big help has been hooking up a vacuum pump to the tire, learned it from a fellow changing earth mover tires, and it even helps out on tube type tires.
If they been on for years, letting them lay on their side with some kerosene on the bead will soften them up in a day or so.
I'd sure as he11 rather change a tractor tire than a split rim truck tire.

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Dave_D

09-21-2001 14:13:38

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Re: Removing and Installing Rear Tractor Rubber - How's it done ??? in reply to Amateur Mechanic, 09-20-2001 20:34:40

I have only done one and it was not too bad of a job. The tire that I was working on farmall B. I bought a new tube and proceeded to remove the tire. The hardest part was breaking the bead. It was rusted to the tire for I don't know how long. I took a 6 ton bottle jack, put the tire under the front of the tractor and with the bottom of the bottle jack on the tire and the top of the jack on the bottom of the tractor frame (for weight). As you pump the jack, it will smush the tire and break the bead. Once this is done, its a matter of working the tire. I had to make a couple of pry bars. I took a couple lengths of 3/4in solid rod and heated and peened the end to a fanned shape. When it came time to inflate the tire, I put about 5 pounds of air and made sure the tube was not snagged under the lip of the tire. Once I was sure everything was looking good, I aired it up and got beer. I must say I felt a good sense of accomplishment. Not including making the pry bars it took about an hour to fix the tire.

Good luck, work slowly and take a break if you get angry. :)

- Dave

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Grove r

09-21-2001 16:13:05

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Re: Re: Removing and Installing Rear Tractor Rubber - How's it done ??? in reply to Dave_D, 09-21-2001 14:13:38

Hi, Dave, good advice from everyone, have changed and repaired more tires than I can count, and I don't own or work in a tire shop! Have changed/repaired tires as big as 18.4 X 38, with fluid, and didn't need a pump for the fluid, in or out, let gravity and a little time do that! Explained how on an earlier post. One thing I would like to add about breaking the bead, I use a 2 1/2" piece of 2" angle iron and an 8# sledge, [this is with the tire on the ground], place the angle iron on the tire with both lips on the tire and one against the rim. strike the angle so as to drive the one lip under the rim, forcing the tire down on the rim. this might take awhile, depending on how hard the bead is stuck, just keep moveing along a bit after each strike. I use a large hammer to reinstall the tire on rim after repair, but be carefull to just hit the tire bead. If you like I can go into greater detail if you E mail me

Have a gooder, R.E.L.

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Dave_D

09-21-2001 14:17:36

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Re: Re: Removing and Installing Rear Tractor Rubber - How's it done ??? in reply to Dave_D, 09-21-2001 14:13:38

One other note. I did bend the lip of the rim a little, here and there, while prying on the tire. This was not a big deal, I just pounded it back after the tire was inflated.

- Dave

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Hard Work

09-21-2001 14:08:05

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Re: Removing and Installing Rear Tractor Rubber - How's it done ??? in reply to Amateur Mechanic, 09-20-2001 20:34:40

This size tire should't be very hard if it hasn't been on the rim for several years. Keep in mind the bead of the tire is what binds it to the rim and any damage to the bead lessens the gripping of the tire to the rim. What I an going to tell you is how I would do this. This by no means is the best way and remember advise is like tools in your tool box, if the wrench fits use it, if it doesn't then use something else.

Not to take anything for granted, jack up your tractor with a jack that can be raised and lowered easily and will support the tractor safely. The beads can be broken two ways, either on the tractor or off lying on the ground. To break the bead on the tractor you need a helper and access between the tractor and rim to hold a bead breaker and strike it with a sledge, thus the helper. After letting the air out start with the inside bead first. Hold the bead breaker wedge so when striking it will work its way between the rim flange down to the flat of the rim. Then position the breaking wedge to drive the bead toward the center of the rim. Follow this in short distances around the rim untill it is loose all the way around. Repeat this process on the outside bead. When the tire beads are "broken" from the rim rotate the wheel untill the valve stem is at the top. starting here carefully work your tire tools under the bead on either side of the stem shile pushing the bottom of the tire towardthe center to allow it to move into the drop center of the wheel. Keep working your tire irons alternately untill the tire bead clears the rim. You can now remove the tube and start removing the other bead over the same side of the wheel. to facilitate holding the tire in the drop center area of the wheel, you can raise and lower your jack thus holding up on the tire when needed.

To reinstall, reverse the procedure bing sure your wheel has ben prepped and the bead lubricated with vegatable oil or a soap solution. Start with the inner bead and work it over the rim flange. Insert the tube into the tire and position to allow centering of the valve stem in the tire and wheel. Then partially inflate the tube to get out all the wrinkles and tube, then deflate. If needed the tube can be rubbed with silica or talic to help it level out inside the tire. Now deflate the tube untill it almost collapses, then rotate the wheel untill the valve stem is at the bottom. Start at the top with your tire irons and work the bead over the rim flange. Again you can raise and lower the jack to facilitate holding the tire beads in the drop center area of the wheel. Great care should be taken not to pinch the tube with your tire irons and that you finish at the valve stem. Otherwise you can tear the valve stem from the tube with the bead.

After the tire has been placed over the rim inflate it carefully. Check both sides of the tire to ensure the tube is not caught between the bead and the wheel. After you have inflated it all the bead areas should be flat against the rim flange. If not, deflate the tire completely and repeat as many times as necessary, and repositioning the tire as needed untill the bead seats. The maximum amount of air used to seat the bead should be noted on the tire itself. Be careful and use common sense. This information is given to you becaused you asked, I am no expert and do not recommend anyone try this if they are not savy with the physics and dynamics involved. This is hard work and can be dangerous to professionals!

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mel

09-21-2001 13:40:18

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Re: Removing and Installing Rear Tractor Rubber - How's it done ??? in reply to Amateur Mechanic, 09-20-2001 20:34:40

Watch-help someone change a tire is the best thing to do first. To make it easy on yourself order a BeadBuster and irons from Gemplers.com ; that site also has some tire repairing pitures that will help.

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Robert Smith

09-21-2001 12:20:34

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Re: Removing and Installing Rear Tractor Rubber - How's it done ??? in reply to Amateur Mechanic, 09-20-2001 20:34:40

Amateur Mechanic
I felt the same way about Ferriers!
After all it would only take them 30 minutes to re-shoe a horse and they charged a fortune!
And like you I thought Hey I can do that! It don't look that hard!
So with a friend of mine who is a Ferrier and under his instruction I set out to shoe my Quarter Horse!
Well let me tell you something! Four hours later soaked with sweat (not to mention sore for two days after) I stepped back with Pride in a job well done! And a whole new perspective on why sometimes it's best to pay the price and let the people with with the proper tools and know how do the job for you.
I've done tires my self also and came away with the same perspective as with the Horse!
I will offer one tip for you if you decide to take your tires on,A good way to unseat the bead is to lay the tire flat let the air out and use your pick-up truck! Drive the front tire of your truck up onto the rubber next to the rim and it will brake the bead loose for you, Beats th heck out of swinging that bead buster hammer! Bob

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RedM

09-21-2001 10:36:16

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Re: Removing and Installing Rear Tractor Rubber - How's it done ??? in reply to Amateur Mechanic, 09-20-2001 20:34:40

Not a difficult job but a word of caution be very carefull when inflating tire. Be sure that tire is centered on rim and do overinflate. Tire can blow off rim with considerabe force I KNOW!

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Bill Oakes

09-21-2001 09:54:21

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Re: Removing and Installing Rear Tractor Rubber - How's it done ??? in reply to Amateur Mechanic, 09-20-2001 20:34:40

I can relate to the "do-it-yourself" mindset you have. It is rewarding to accomplish a challenging task. I bought 2 small irons, 2 large irons, and a bead breaking hammer, and now do my own tire work. The last ones I did were 16.9x24; that's really as hard as I want to work; they were tough. You will find 9x24 are pretty easy. As to how to do it; I just follow the same basic principles used to change a bicycle tire; just everything is bigger. Dennis mentioned an important point about using the drop center section of the rim. Always make sure that as you pry one side of the tire over the rim, the oposite side is dropped down into the drop center section. I always clean and paint rims while tire is off. Always use new tubes. Talc to lube inside tire and tube. Liquid dish soap to lube tire beads to help getting them pryed over the rims and also helps seat the bead after it mounted. I work carefully; never pinched a new tube. I suggest you want to do the same. Enjoy the experience!

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Dennis

09-21-2001 09:37:39

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Re: Removing and Installing Rear Tractor Rubber - How's it done ??? in reply to Amateur Mechanic, 09-20-2001 20:34:40

I changed out the tires on my case SC 38 by 11. It wasnt to big a deal. Left the rim on the tractor and used tire irons and a 2 pound hammer. They came right off. Just a little sweat. The trick is to use the inbetween space in the rim.

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Dave T

09-21-2001 07:40:20

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Re: Removing and Installing Rear Tractor Rubber - How's it done ??? in reply to Amateur Mechanic, 09-20-2001 20:34:40

M.E. Miller Tire Co. carries a full line of tire tools. Like Tyler, I just take mine to Les Schwab, they charge for a flat repair, but it can still adds up...

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Leon

09-21-2001 08:20:15

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Re: Re: Removing and Installing Rear Tractor Rubber - How's it done ??? in reply to Dave T, 09-21-2001 07:40:20

Back in the 40s & 50s had to do this on my fathers big truck tires out of necessity. Hard work and not really worth it considering the expense of tools etc for probably a one time job.
I would suggest you skip the enjoyment you would get out of just seeing if you can do it. You could also hurt yourself or damage a tire.

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paul

09-21-2001 16:05:44

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Re: Re: Re: Removing and Installing Rear Tractor Rubber - How's it done ??? in reply to Leon, 09-21-2001 08:20:15

Oh man, those truck tires or manure spreader tires!!! Uffda!!!!! Worse thing I ever worked on for a tire..... Our manure spreader uses same size as our truck, so the old truck tires get moved to the spreader.... Uffda.

--->Paul

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Tyler(WA)

09-21-2001 07:06:56

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Re: Removing and Installing Rear Tractor Rubber - How's it done ??? in reply to Amateur Mechanic, 09-20-2001 20:34:40

I've never tried it but I know that it can be done. There are hand tools that you'll need.

"Tire irons" are NOT lug wrenches. There are some flat bars and some with a hook on the end to ride the rim while "plowing over" the bead as you work it around the rim. They all take average intellegence but I've been told they require a rather extended vocabulary of a naughtical variety.

Being a pastor, I just take my tires to Les Schwab.

I think you can get the tire tools you need from Northern Tools but I'm sure other replies will point you to some good sources.

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