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DEALER WARNING!

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steve in Mass

06-07-2007 05:16:13




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The dealer isn’t always reputable!

If you think buying a used tractor is going to be any less risky from a dealer, read this.
My recent purchase was my fourth tractor in about 8 years and the first from a dealer. Its an ‘85 ,Ford 545A 4x4 loader tractor, which I paid $7,500. for. I thought I was gaining on the learning curve but in hindsight, I was lucky, too. All my previous purchases were field ready tractors. I bought this one hoping it would be the last. It had the features I was looking for, a newly rebuilt motor and front differential and was listed by - a dealer from Tenn., over 1,200 miles away. The ad stated the machine was in “A-1” shape. I’d seen this dealers name on the YT site before and when I talked to him, I felt confident he was an honest, reputable person. The price was several thousand less than I’d seen so I urged him to disclose any issues there were so that I wouldn’t be surprised when I arrived. “No, Steve, this tractor is in A-1 shape”. Well, he had jumper cables on the battery when I arrived. There was no hood on it and the one they tried on it was from a different model and didn’t fit. They did give me a new hood and exhaust, as well as a new seat. Once I saw it and the loader work, I loaded it up and headed home. Once here, I realized the gauges weren’t working. Soon after, I found the loader control wouldn’t raise the bucket - and one hose connection was leaking. I took it to my tractor mechanic who told me there was no wiring harness, it had the wrong key switch and wouldn’t operate the glow plug (explaining the charger on the battery). He’s figured it needed $2,500 in parts and that it had probably caught fire. I emailed, sent a letter and called. I talked with Mr. K.C. Arnett Jr. and he said he’d call me back. I’m still waiting... I know I paid a low price for that tractor, but it was nothing like it was advertised as, and by the time I spend the money fixing it, I could have bought one locally and saved a lot of time and aggravation. So, the least I can do is warn others about this dealer and hope he loses some unearned business. He’s certainly not losing any sleep over our transaction.

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Leland

06-08-2007 01:25:23




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 Re: DEALER WARNING! in reply to steve in Mass, 06-07-2007 05:16:13  
a fool and his money are soon parted ,next time take your repair man with you since you don't know your butt from a hole in the ground about tractors you will be money ahead .



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JMS/MN

06-07-2007 18:59:49




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 Re: DEALER WARNING! in reply to steve in Mass, 06-07-2007 05:16:13  
No sympathy here- 'A-1 condition', whether from a dealer or private party means as much as 'restored'. No legal basis. First of all, was there a 'warranty'?. No dealer or private seller is going to warrant anything that is going 1200 miles away. You expect him to send a serviceman half way across the country? You also bought it well under expected price, and now want repair/compensation? It is your responsibility to 'notice' the lack of wiring harness, bad gauges, etc., when you look at the item. Poor choice to badmouth a dealer via the internet when the responsibility rests with the buyer. If he had given you a signed warranty and did not live up to it, that's another thing, but obviously not in this case.

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Rob in Indiana

06-07-2007 14:59:26




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 Re: DEALER WARNING! in reply to steve in Mass, 06-07-2007 05:16:13  
Did you even look at this tractor before forking out$$?

this guy may have lied about the condition of the tractor but you shoulder a lot of the blame for not checking the tractor out.

did you even stop to wonder why it was several thousand $$ cheaper than others you found??



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37 chief

06-07-2007 12:49:49




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 Re: DEALER WARNING! in reply to steve in Mass, 06-07-2007 05:16:13  
I know how you feel. All you can do now is make the best out of a bad deal. Now days a lot of peoples word don't mean much. If you can do the repairs your self you might make out ok. Stan



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bluepaint

06-07-2007 12:07:22




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 Re: DEALER WARNING! in reply to steve in Mass, 06-07-2007 05:16:13  
If it was so bad why did you buy it , Did you not look at it or drive it first ?



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David Snipes

06-07-2007 11:13:33




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 Re: DEALER WARNING! in reply to steve in Mass, 06-07-2007 05:16:13  
If the dealer's community has a Better Business Bureau, you should make a complaint to them. They will often try to mitigate a dispute with a business and they keep records on complaints so others can research the reliability of a business. If the business is an authorized dealer for a major brand, I would also complain to the manufacturer - they don't like bad publicity and they also collect information like this. It could possibly influence a decision later if someone else wants their franchise.

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Jerry/MT

06-07-2007 10:39:56




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 Re: DEALER WARNING! in reply to steve in Mass, 06-07-2007 05:16:13  
I dealt with K.C Arnett, Jr. before and even though my problem was relitively minor, I found him to be a person I would NEVER do business with again. I even wrote him up in the YT Buyer Seller Feedback Forum. He still advertises in this Forum and uses his wife's name, etc. That's a sure sign of a person you don't want to do business with.

I my case I bought a two piece Ferguson/Ford tractor jack that I was specifically told was complete. When I recieved it, the front part was missing. I tried to contact him several times and he never replied. The man is not to be trusted.

You should also write this up in the Buyer Seller Feedback Forum

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Luke S

06-07-2007 09:33:37




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 Re: DEALER WARNING! in reply to steve in Mass, 06-07-2007 05:16:13  
Should have walked away when he saw how rough it was. Once he made the decision to pay the man it was all over. Unless he gave him a written warranty the courts would laugh this right out the door. The dealer shouldn't have lied about the condition, but if he was unhappy with the condition he shouldn't have bought it. Don't buy something knowing well it has problems and complain later that you got screwed. He didn't hold a gun to his head.

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steve in Mass

06-07-2007 10:52:38




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 Re: DEALER WARNING! in reply to Luke S, 06-07-2007 09:33:37  
Luke,
Its not that easy to walk away when you've just spent 2 days driving with a trailer purchased specifically for the trip. Yes, I'm the fool for wanting to believe in someone because he was selling the tractor I really wanted. Still, I'm not a spring chicken and I've never dealt with anyone so devoid of a sense of business ethics. Since the sale I wrote about, I just sold a tractor to a gentleman from Ontario, 8 hours away and I mailed him the worst looking parts of the tractor, so he wouldn't be surprised or upset after driving here. He took one look when he got here and handed me a check, thanking me for the disclosure.

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Davis In SC

06-07-2007 14:50:06




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 Re: DEALER WARNING! in reply to steve in Mass, 06-07-2007 10:52:38  
" Its not that easy to walk away when you've just spent 2 days driving with a trailer purchased specifically for the trip."

It is a bummer, to go on a trip, only to find something was misrepresented. But, since you saw the tractor was not in good condition, why didn't you just cut you losses and refuse it? Or, perhaps negotiated the price down, as an allowance to fix the problems. ?



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Walt Davies

06-07-2007 07:17:30




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 Re: DEALER WARNING! in reply to steve in Mass, 06-07-2007 05:16:13  
Since he said it was in A-1 condition he has to deliver it that way. I would take the time to look into recouping your extra cost though the local courts. It may not get all your cost back but it will make a dent in his profit and that's worth the trouble to me.
Walt



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Mike (WA)

06-07-2007 08:23:11




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 Re: DEALER WARNING! in reply to Walt Davies, 06-07-2007 07:17:30  
Problem is, the "local courts" will have to be the seller's local courts- which are 1200 miles away.



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Steven@AZ

06-07-2007 07:02:53




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 Re: DEALER WARNING! in reply to steve in Mass, 06-07-2007 05:16:13  
Thanks for the heads-up...

I've been taken to the cleaners both close to home and far, far away. In my experience with dealers (both implement and car) it has never been that great. A person ends up paying a premium because the dealer claims the tractor/vehicle has "been through the shop and checks out to be A-1." This seldom is the case, they just give a quick power wash and tire shine, make sure the safety equipment works (brakes, ABS, air bag, etc.) and stick it on the lot.

I've had much better luck buying from private individuals.

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NEsota

06-07-2007 06:01:39




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 Re: DEALER WARNING! in reply to steve in Mass, 06-07-2007 05:16:13  
Could it be that most machinery dealers do the majority of their business within something less than a 1200 mile radius. If they need to dump junk best not to do it in their back yard. My point is there may be many good reasons to deal close to home. Also buyers beware



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RustyFarmall

06-07-2007 06:22:37




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 Re: DEALER WARNING! in reply to NEsota, 06-07-2007 06:01:39  
My thoughts exactly. Nothing wrong with selling your wares over the internet, but a buyer who is 1200 miles away is an easy way to unload less than desirable merchandise.



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Rick in Michigan

06-07-2007 05:35:38




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 Re: DEALER WARNING! in reply to steve in Mass, 06-07-2007 05:16:13  
"I know I paid a low price for that tractor, but it was nothing like it was advertised as, and by the time I spend the money fixing it, I could have bought one locally and saved a lot of time and aggravation."

At least this way you will KNOW what you have when you are done.

Keep yer stick on the ice.



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rrlund

06-07-2007 06:40:25




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 Re: DEALER WARNING! in reply to Rick in Michigan, 06-07-2007 05:35:38  
You have to be careful here close to home too Rick. The neighbor bought one from Discount Dave north of Remus. Dave had bought it in Georgia,brought it home in the spring during a warm spell,neighbor bought it soon after. We got a cold snap the night it was delivered and it had water in the radiator and tires. Froze up and broke the block. Dave didn't tell him where it had come from,so he had no reason to think it wouldn't have antifreeze that time of year.Ya just never know.

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Keith-OR

06-07-2007 08:11:50




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 Re: DEALER WARNING! in reply to rrlund, 06-07-2007 06:40:25  
rrlund, just curious how close are you to Remus,MI? I have a really good lady friend that lives NW of Remus..

Keith & Shawn



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