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Briggs and Stratton Troubles

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MN Scott

01-01-2008 07:32:25




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I have a 70's era genny with a 7 hp briggs. I picked it up cheap not be run for years. The unit looks to have been barely used. It has the float type carb. I replaced the points and installed a carb kit and float. Cleaned the tank and installed new fuel line. The thing starts and will run fine for a minute to ten minutes then will just die. If I choke it it will sometimes recover. I've had the carb apart many times and just can't figure out what the trouble is. Any pointers from briggs experts out there?

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cwtech

01-03-2008 05:22:45




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 Re: Briggs and Stratton Troubles in reply to MN Scott, 01-01-2008 07:32:25  
Just another thought:

You mentioned installing a new fuel line. ....I assume you used a flexible line.

If the fuel hose is too long, there may be a "dip" or "arch" in the shape of the hose.

This can cause a momentary "trap", and can cause the engine to cut out.

The fuel hose should be a straight run between the tank and carb inlet.



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buickanddeere

01-01-2008 22:00:46




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 Re: Briggs and Stratton Troubles in reply to MN Scott, 01-01-2008 07:32:25  
Toss the points and capacitor then install one of those $19.99 electronic conversions. Are you re-using gaskets and not getting a proper seal?



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335LP

01-01-2008 20:51:21




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 Re: Briggs and Stratton Troubles in reply to MN Scott, 01-01-2008 07:32:25  
Just does it after it warms up and gets hot? Check the valves and valve springs and lifters or breakage or wear.



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MN Scott

01-02-2008 06:19:57




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 Re: Briggs and Stratton Troubles in reply to 335LP, 01-01-2008 20:51:21  
No, does it from the first cold startup on. All new gaskets used in the carb and carb to engine mounting. Nothing else has been apart by me anyways. Guess I will retire it to my growing junk collection and keep my eye out for a good running engine. I had the cover off the genny and it looks like new inside. At least that works good, spits out plenty of power.



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dave guest

01-01-2008 19:12:52




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 Re: Briggs and Stratton Troubles in reply to MN Scott, 01-01-2008 07:32:25  
Does it give you warning? If it does, try readjusting carb a hair. I have 5hp and 8hp that were victims of gum and varnish. They both need readjusting about 4 or 5 times and then they settle down. I figure time and gumout will be the answer.



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MN Scott

01-01-2008 20:33:22




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 Re: Briggs and Stratton Troubles in reply to dave guest, 01-01-2008 19:12:52  
No it just shuts off like a switch is flipped. Darndest thing because if you catch it with the choke it will recover for a few seconds then die again. Acts like its losing fuel but there has to be fuel in bowl otherwise the choke would not save it. Also the thing will restart with one pull and run anouther 1 to 10 minutes right after it dies. Dandeere, No outside wiring or shutoff switches at all. Just one wire from coil to points. You kill it by shorting lever to spark plug.

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MN Scott

01-01-2008 16:32:52




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 Re: Briggs and Stratton Troubles in reply to MN Scott, 01-01-2008 07:32:25  
Here's an update. I worked on it today and have ruled out the ignition system. It throws close to a 1/4 blue spark after it dies. I rechecked the fuel cap and I can blow tru it even tryed to run it with cap off. I pulled the fuel line and fuel runs out in a pencil sized stream. Pulled the carb and took it apart again. Fuel inlet is clean, I have installed a new needle valve and float. I even tryed the old ones, nogo. The carb is perfectaly clean, soaked overnite in carb cleaner and blew thru all passages. Installed new needle valves and brass tube. Float is set level according to specs. Reinstalled and started motor and adjusted main jet to sweet spot bettwen rich and lean. Motor will run from 1 to 10 minutes then will die. If I squirt some carb cleaner or choke it and catch it before it dies it will recover for a few seconeds then die unless I keep squirting or choking it. Restarts with one pull then the whole thing starts over again 1 to 10 minutes then dies. The thing has me puzzled, the carb is so simple on these. If I adjust it to run a bit rich it still does the same thing.

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JT

01-02-2008 07:22:51




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 Re: Briggs and Stratton Troubles in reply to MN Scott, 01-01-2008 16:32:52  
Scott,
just because you have "pencil sized stream" when you take off the fuel line, there could be something that plugs up the fuel line the longer it runs. There is some type of fuel filter in it, it could be in the fuel tank, it could be in line. Before you toss out the fuel delivery problem, take off the fuel line and let it run the tank dry into a good clean can of some sort, what you are describing is a fuel delivery problem. If you have let it run without a gas cap, you have eliminated that. also, have you tried turning the high speed jet out 1/2 turn more? Will it run with choke partially on for an extended amount of time?

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supergrumpy

01-02-2008 06:09:04




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 Re: Briggs and Stratton Troubles in reply to MN Scott, 01-01-2008 16:32:52  
you have genuine head scratcher

if you can find a known good carb that fits that updraft manifold I would try that, would isolate problem to either carb or engine

aluminum Briggs are known for loose valve seats

you have tried 2 different floats, is float maybe bent a bit and hanging up??, try tapping carb with wrench when it starts to die, DO NOT use 10 lb sledge!!

I have been stumped on a few, once I ran heavy dose of SeaFoam and problem somehow fixed itself

please keep us posted

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dandeere

01-01-2008 17:08:03




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 Re: Briggs and Stratton Troubles in reply to MN Scott, 01-01-2008 16:32:52  
That jenny would not have a low oil or hot sensor would it?? Dan



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36 coupe

01-01-2008 14:31:34




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 Re: Briggs and Stratton Troubles in reply to MN Scott, 01-01-2008 07:32:25  
Take a good look at the inlet valve.If it has as soft point needle or soft seat the stick often.



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cwtech

01-01-2008 11:29:06




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 Need more info... in reply to MN Scott, 01-01-2008 07:32:25  
There are several possibile causes, as all the posts below offer valid suggestions.

When it dies out, does it re-start IMMEDIATELY, or does it have to sit awhile before it will restart? .....If it restarts immediately, this usually rules out ignition problems, and may be caused by the float sticking closed, water in the fuel, a restricted gas cap vent, or a lean fuel mixture.

When it cuts out, you need to IMMEDIATELY check for the presence of a strong spark to the plug. ....Pull the lead off the sparkplug, and the spark should jump a gap (to a good ground) of at least 1/8" with a sharp blue spark. ....If there is no spark present, your problem lies in the ignition system.

You can also hold the sparkplug lead away from the terminal of the sparkplug while the engine is running. .....Again, a strong blue spark should be able to jump a distance of at least 1/8" (1/4" is better). ....If the spark falters, or is a pale yellow spark, your ignition is not up to par.

A faulty ignition coil usually fails after running approx 15-20 minutes, and will not restart until the coil has had a chance to cool down.

A bad condenser, oil-soaked points, or a primary wire grounding, can also cause your problem.

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rwp

01-02-2008 18:47:05




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 Re: Need more info... in reply to cwtech, 01-01-2008 11:29:06  
Oil soaked points--Boy, you might have found the
most probable cause. My sister had brought over
her snowblower (which she has had trouble with for
the last two years). When I first started working
on it, I did most of the things you have mentioned. The seal, on the end of the crankshaft, was leaking oil on the points.



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ErnieDD

01-01-2008 11:16:37




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 Re: Briggs and Stratton Troubles in reply to MN Scott, 01-01-2008 07:32:25  
Long shot.

Intake valve hanging from old gas varnish. Valve will stick long enough to loose compression then release. Had a wisconson engine do the same. When you got it running w/o the air filter give it a few squirts of penetrating oil in the air intake.



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Roger in Iowa

01-01-2008 09:58:40




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 Re: Briggs and Stratton Troubles in reply to MN Scott, 01-01-2008 07:32:25  
Take the bowl off of the carb and see if gas runs freely past the needle and seat.

As per one post below, spray gas or ether in the carb when it starts to die. If it will run with the spray, you have a fuel problem yet.

Roger in Iowa



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bill mart

01-01-2008 09:26:21




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 Re: Briggs and Stratton Troubles in reply to MN Scott, 01-01-2008 07:32:25  
could the gas cap vent be plugged?



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MN Scott

01-01-2008 09:19:15




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 Re: Briggs and Stratton Troubles in reply to MN Scott, 01-01-2008 07:32:25  
Only thing suggested I haven't done is remove the head and check the valves and remove the muffler, ha ha. The orfice tube came new in the carb kit and I even tryied the old one. I'am getting full flow of gas from tank its all been disassembled and cleaned and rechecked. I have played with the main jet, that also came new in the kit and the motor does run nice and smooth until it dies. I think I will go into the ignition system again and swap out some parts from another engine I have. One note of interest is the coil has been replaced with a new one, hum, maybe somone else had the same problem and gave up on it.

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RobMD

01-01-2008 08:59:16




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 Re: Briggs and Stratton Troubles in reply to MN Scott, 01-01-2008 07:32:25  
Hey, take the muffler off, it could be clogged!



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dandeere

01-01-2008 08:29:23




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 Re: Briggs and Stratton Troubles in reply to MN Scott, 01-01-2008 07:32:25  
Hi MN Scott, I would pull the head and check the exhaust valve seat, sometimes as the block heats up they will get loose. If so, try to peen arround the seat with a punch to hold it in. Best of luck,,, Dan



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jeffcat

01-02-2008 08:39:31




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 Re: Briggs and Stratton Troubles in reply to dandeere, 01-01-2008 08:29:23  
JB Weld works better.



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jdemaris

01-01-2008 08:27:16




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 Re: Briggs and Stratton Troubles in reply to MN Scott, 01-01-2008 07:32:25  
Take the brass orifice tube out of the carb - carefully. It's what the adjustable main jet on the outside seats againts. The tube is probably plugged up.



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SUPERGRUMPY

01-01-2008 08:24:00




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 Re: Briggs and Stratton Troubles in reply to MN Scott, 01-01-2008 07:32:25  
leave air cleaner off, as it dies, spray hint of ether into carb, if it picks up then you have carb problem

if it dies you have spark issue, dying after 10 minutes might be bad coil or maybe a consensor

I'm sure you have tried another plug

not an expert but I sure like to take em apart and sometimes even get them running afterwards



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JT

01-01-2008 08:10:35




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 Re: Briggs and Stratton Troubles in reply to MN Scott, 01-01-2008 07:32:25  
Scott,
Turn the high speed out 1 1/2 turns to start, if it is extra cold, you might need another 1/2 turn. Also check your gas cap, the vents do plug up quite easily, check your fuel outlet, some have screens in them and might be plugging up after it runs for a while.
Jim



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El Toro

01-01-2008 07:48:22




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 Re: Briggs and Stratton Troubles in reply to MN Scott, 01-01-2008 07:32:25  
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If it has a main jet similar to this carburetor it probably needs to be cleaned. Could have that gummy residue from old gas gas sitting there. Check the flow from the tank to the carburetor. You may need to readjust this screw CCW to enrich the fuel mixture until it runs smooth. Hal

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