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Stan in Oly, WA

12-28-2007 09:19:18




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A few months ago my wife's Toyota Camry started making a growling noise when the brakes were applied. It always happens when the car hasn't been driven for awhile, and goes away after a few minutes of stop and go driving. My wife also heard the noise very loud when she left the freeway after driving about 50 miles w/o having to use the brakes at all. The car is front wheel drive, and I've determined that the noise is coming from the rear, drum type, brakes by using only the emergency brake to stop.

A mechanic said that the brake shoes have 60-70% lining left, and didn't notice any obvious problem. He suggested breaking the glaze on the surface of the brake shoes. I don't know if he thought that would solve the problem or if it was just the only thing he could think of.

The noise must be getting worse because now I can hear it clearly, whereas previously only my wife could hear it. My wife handles most of our mutual hearing needs.

Thanks, Stan

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Oldmax

12-30-2007 16:46:36




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 Re: Brake noise in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 12-28-2007 09:19:18  
Your brakes have christilized have had this to happen on same make Except truck . changed out brake pads for Sim-Mat for some reason the Mat brake pads do that on some vech . Mine sounded like Metal to matal But pads were hardely wore .



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trucker40

12-29-2007 12:57:02




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 Re: Brake noise in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 12-28-2007 09:19:18  
Just a guess,drums have a groove wore into them,when you psh on the brakes its rubbing the sides of the shoes into the groove.Maybe.
If it dont cost a lot,have the drums turned.I dont know what shoes cost for your car,but buy new shoes if you turn the drums,and it may stop the noise.I dont remember which ones it was,but I think it was "high metal content" or something like that,which I had on my car and it quit making the noise when I bought the cheaper kind without the metal in the lining.This all may not work on your car.Mine is a Cougar.

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dave guest

12-28-2007 18:56:59




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 Re: Brake noise in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 12-28-2007 09:19:18  
Some Fords like mustangs have noisy brakes until warmed up. Maybe dampness in linings? Don't seem to be any problem. Forgot to notice if yours is all the time or goes away.



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Stan in Oly, WA

12-28-2007 14:05:00




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 Re: Brake noise in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 12-28-2007 09:19:18  
Thanks everyone. Your answers put my mind at ease. The amount of noise isn't much of a problem (particularly for those in our family for whom no noise is much of a problem) and it never lasts very long. I was mainly concerned about whether it might indicate any serious mechanical problem that I didn't know about. Seems almost certain now that it doesn't, so I'm good with it. Eventually (June) the weather will warm up and dry up, and the noise will probably go away by itself.

Thanks again, and Happy New Year

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guido

12-28-2007 12:17:32




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 Re: Brake noise in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 12-28-2007 09:19:18  
Hey Stan
I just so your post.
Brake noise/squeal is usually coused by a couple of conditions. One is that the drums /rotors are glazed, the other is the lack of clearance at the ends of the shoes/pads. They can be glazed as well. If they appear shiny rough them up a bit.
You can try and make that clearance by taking away some of the shoe material, 1/8 of an in. on both sides, 1/2 in. into the shoe should be sufficient..... ..... .Good Luck! Guido.

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RobMD

12-28-2007 19:59:49




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 Re: Brake noise in reply to guido, 12-28-2007 12:17:32  
No offense, but after spending 40 bucks on pads, the last thing I would want to do is grind them down just to get rid of noise.



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guido

12-29-2007 09:46:54




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 Re: Brake noise in reply to RobMD, 12-28-2007 19:59:49  
Hey Robmd

The clearance I was trying to convey is only 1/2 in. from the trailing end and the front end of the shoe/pad, not the entire shoe/pad surface. We, in the repair industry, call it toe and heel clearance, that procedure does not allow any debrie/rust to get to the main portion of the brakes, and usually does the trick.!
No offence taken.
Guido



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supergrumpy

12-28-2007 11:20:20




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 Re: Brake noise in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 12-28-2007 09:19:18  
we inherited Dodge Neon from MIL, car was great in most respects but rear brakes howled something awful anytime moisture was involved

first stop after rain would cause the howl, we would come out of church and try to not use the brakes in the parking lot as the noise was very loud on first stop

I pulled drums and cleaned all the dust out but noise came back right away, Dodge dealer refused to fix it under warranty, said all of them did it, traded the car in on ranger

last Chrysler product I will ever drive

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Pollack Pete

12-28-2007 09:58:36




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 Re: Brake noise in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 12-28-2007 09:19:18  
Sounds like rust building up on the drums after the car sits for a while.Next time the car isn't used for a while,pull the drums off and have a look.BTW,you're lucky.My wife usually takes care of the mutual talking needs.



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