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BuzzSaw Conversion

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smark

01-04-2006 07:59:22




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I have a nice Fergie Buzzsaw powered by the PTO on my tractor. My problem is that I only have one Tractor(Yes, I know-pretty sad). It is a chore to hook up the BuzzSaw then take it off to plow the Snow. What Im thinking of is to mount the BuzzSaw on a skid an hook up to a Small engine so it will work free of the Tractor.Anyone out there ever seen anythink like this? Any Advise? Thanks




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Ray from Mi.

01-05-2006 09:26:15




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 Re: BuzzSaw Conversion in reply to smark, 01-04-2006 07:59:22  
Dad made one 20 years ago exactly as you propose. Power was from a Wisconsin 4 cyl. air-cooled engine, driving a 6" flat belt. He made a sliding-type engine mount so you could adjust the tension on the belt. Everything was mounted to a skid made of hardwood 6x6's with a deck of 2x6 tongue and groove lumber lagged to the runners. He just had to size the length of the skid to accomodate a twist in the belt, to make the saw turn the right direction. Still use it to this day. You need a helper to really cut some wood, but much rather cut this way than with a chainsaw. Ray

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pjw

01-08-2006 06:10:47




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 Re: BuzzSaw Conversion in reply to Ray from Mi., 01-05-2006 09:26:15  
Ray from Michigan why would you rather use a buzz saw than a chainsaw?



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Ray from Mi.

01-08-2006 16:48:02




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 Re: BuzzSaw Conversion in reply to pjw, 01-08-2006 06:10:47  
A couple of reasons, PJW. There were 6 of us boys, so help was never a problem. Most of the wood we cut came as 1 of 2 ways. Either smaller-size trees as when clearing or thinning a parcel, or after someone would timber-off a woods, we would negotiate with the owner to buy the tops to cut. We would bundle-up the wood in lengths with a choker, and drag it to the buzz-pile, where the only chainsaw work there was to cut it into lengths we could handle at the buzzsaw. Then it was one guy feeding, one guy running the saw, and one guy pitching into the wagon. I guess I'm saying I would rather do that than run a chainsaw and bend over handling wood all day. That chainsaw just seems to give me a beating, and secondly, I guess I just like to carry on some of the old ways of working; kind of a novelty in this day and age, I guess. Maybe not the most efficient way to work, for some, but it gives me a satisfaction at the same time; maybe that more than anything, you know? Hope I answered your question.

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Bernie in MA

01-04-2006 17:11:48




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 Re: BuzzSaw Conversion in reply to smark, 01-04-2006 07:59:22  
We had one that you staked down when I was a kid 60 years ago. We had a cut-down '29 Chevy jalopy we used on the farm and my father used to jack up the rear wheel against the pulley. I wasn't old enough to know what gear he used. I know he sawed enough wood to wear the tire right down to the canvas. May not have had any tread to begin with.



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john d

01-04-2006 14:15:11




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 Re: BuzzSaw Conversion in reply to smark, 01-04-2006 07:59:22  
I'm also gonna vote to leave it hooked to the heavy tractor for stability. If you hooked it to a small engine, you'd need a gear reduction of some sort to get the speed down to the rpms that the tractor pto runs.



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Chris(WA)

01-04-2006 08:04:02




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 Re: BuzzSaw Conversion in reply to smark, 01-04-2006 07:59:22  
Be carefull. A lot of the saws stability comes from the weight of the tractor it is mounted to. Having said that I do remember us having a stand alone buzz saw at home when I was a kid. It was on a large metal frame that was staked to the ground and the tractor (a Farmall B) was belted to it.



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steveormary

01-04-2006 09:28:06




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 Re: BuzzSaw Conversion in reply to Chris(WA), 01-04-2006 08:04:02  
smark

I would leave it as is. That is the way it was designed to work. A stand alone buzz saw needs to be staked down. Whether belt or pto driven from tractor or other power supply.

steveormary



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SMARK

01-04-2006 19:38:03




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 How about Store Bought??? in reply to steveormary, 01-04-2006 09:28:06  
OK, I think Ill leave it alone. Are there any manufacturers that make a Portable Gas Powered Buzzsaw to cut up Firewood??? Something like a large electric Mitre Box only gas Powered.



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Tim B from MA

01-04-2006 20:10:16




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 Re: How about Store Bought??? in reply to SMARK, 01-04-2006 19:38:03  
smark,

Make youself a sturdy saw buck, big enough to stack a bunch of small diameter logs and branches in, and the right width so your chain saw can reach across the stack to cut into fire place lenghts. Then put the buss saw in the shed as a conversation piece.

Those cordwood saws are too slow, use too much fuel (why use a 30 or 40 hp engine to do what a chain saw will do)and are too dangerous.

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dan hill

01-12-2006 05:22:57




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 Re: How about Store Bought??? in reply to Tim B from MA, 01-04-2006 20:10:16  
My Ford tractor runs at 900 rpm sawing cord wood.The saw is fully guarded.pto shaft driven.It is not slow if kept sharp.Using a chain saw to saw wood into stove length wears the chain and bar at a much faster rate.A chain saw is the most dangerous tool you can use.Kick backs cut chins ,knees,necks, chins, you name it ,its been cut.I talked to a fellow who cut his belly with a chain saw, had to put his guts back in and drive to the hospital.Ive cut wood both ways in the last 50 years.The cord wood saw is the safer way.Also have sawed wood with a 2 man saw and a bow saw.I know plenty of fellows that have been cut with a chain saw, none with a circular cordwood saw.The new chain saws are safer with chain brakes.Homelite still sells saws without chain brakes.Plus you always have the danger of a broken chain lashing back at your hand.

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Robert in W. Mi.

01-05-2006 07:59:14




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 Re: How about Store Bought??? in reply to Tim B from MA, 01-04-2006 20:10:16  
Hey Tim B,

I run my buzz rig with my little 30hp Deutz diesel, would you want to make a bet on your statement that it cost more to run than a chainsaw doing the same work???

I saw the slabs that come off my sawmill with mine, and when you add up all the cost, it cost less to run than a chainsaw. I don't think it's more dangerous either, both are only as safe as the operator.

Robert

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steveormary

01-04-2006 20:27:48




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 Re: How about Store Bought??? in reply to Tim B from MA, 01-04-2006 20:10:16  
Tim,

To make a buzz saw effecient you need at least 3 people to work it. Can you cut more wood with a chain saw. Dont know. I cut the big logs, the ones that needed split with my chain saw. The smaller ones I cut with the buzz saw. We had several different power scources for the saw over the years.

Starting with the F-12,then a TE-20 and a TO-30,A Farmall M and a Farmall 300. Also used a Cockshutt 30 at times.

steveormary

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