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Brazing aluminum with your torch set.

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cmbb

12-24-2004 16:15:31




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Do any of you guys use your torches to braze aluminum? By replacing the acetylene with hydrogen bottle you can braze. I have never done it and was wondering if anybody could shed some light on it. Does it do a good job? Is it costly?




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JohnPop1

12-25-2004 14:54:49




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 Re: Brazing aluminum with your torch set. in reply to cmbb, 12-24-2004 16:15:31  
I have used Hydrogen to braze Aluminum on a couple of occasions. It was probably 20 years ago. We had some parts that had been furnace brazed in a vacuum and needed repair that could not be waited on. Believe we had to get a car back together to show some Congressmen in Washington. We used Hydrogen brazing and were successful but it certainly is not a substitute for furnace brazing. If you choose to use Hydrogen, it is available from most industrial gas suppliers. Keep in mind that a Hydrogen pressure regulator is needed. We were brazing a special alloy of stainless steel but the principal is the same. Remember that hydrogen flame is very clean burning and you might not be able to see it. Good luck!

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T_Bone

12-24-2004 19:54:08




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 Re: Brazing aluminum with your torch set. in reply to cmbb, 12-24-2004 16:15:31  
Hi cmbb,

No need for hydrogen gas. Hydrogen is a safe gas just like most gas but needs the respect demanded of all gas fuels.

I braze and weld all my Al with Oxy/Acet as well as Cu, Pb, SS or Fe.

Al welding requires special attention to the cleaness of the base metal as well as the filler rod. Although a flux (borax & alcohol paste works well) will help, base metal prep before and during welding is very important.

I have even used electrodes for stick welding Al as a filler rod with the orginal flux left on the filler for Oxy/Acet Welding.

Below is a repost of some of my thoughts:

You can use oxy/act to gas weld AL. You can use AL stick rod with the flux left on or use a scrap piece of AL with a flux made from borax with alcohol added to make a paste and just dip the filler rod into the flux when needed. If you keep your filler rod with-in the gas flame zone then a flux is not needed. Be sure to remove all flux when done welding as AL will continue to oxidize if the flux is left on.

There is a couple tricks to Gas or Tig welding Al. As your heating the base metal you will notice the weld puddle will start swrilling and that is the correct time to add filler rod and move backwards/forwards. I like moving away from my weld puddle as you can see how much filler rod needs to be added. A split second latter wrinkles appear with-in the weld puddle and if you don't quickly remove the heat or move forawrd then your weld puddle will end up on the floor.

While welding AL you will notice a black oxide scale appear on the surface and the weld puddle becomes very difficult to control. Stop and remove this black oxide with a new SS wire brush or new grinding wheel. It's very important to use new wheels as if the wheels had beem used on Cu or Fe you can't get rid of the black oxides.

Filler rods also need precleaned with emery paper to remove oxides exspecially while Tig welding. On Fe filler rod, clean filler rod too bear metal as well as clean base metal 1" on either side of the weld joint or it will cause prosisity in the weld.

You can also use a chill bar clamped to the backside of your weld joint base meterial.
A chill bar is a thick piece of metal, usually 1/2" x 2" wide copper, used to draw the heat thru the base metal but hold the weld puddle from dropping thru and the weld puddle will not stick to the chill bar base metal. On welding AL you can use a piece of "clean" steel, no scalling, SS or CU. On welding Copper a SS chill bar works best. On welding carbon steel a CU, AL or SS chill bar will work.

T_Bone

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Jimmy King

12-24-2004 19:49:32




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 Re: Brazing aluminum with your torch set. in reply to cmbb, 12-24-2004 16:15:31  
My son a professional wielder, just said you can not braze


Aluminum, because brass will not stick to Aluminum. How ever you can wield aluminum with an acetylene torch by useing Aluminum rod.



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Davis In SC

12-24-2004 17:54:11




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 Re: Brazing aluminum with your torch set. in reply to cmbb, 12-24-2004 16:15:31  
The Henrob torch site says you can weld aluminum with it using Oxy/Acet..... . Hydrogen scares me, as teens we made hydrogen balloons using Drano & aluminum chips in a Coke bottle... A wonder we did not get seriously hurt messing with Hydrogen...



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george md

12-24-2004 17:43:46




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 Re: Brazing aluminum with your torch set. in reply to cmbb, 12-24-2004 16:15:31  
cmbb,

There is no need to change to hydrogen, with the proper flux you can weld with acetylene . Use the rod for TIG weld ,it will thin flow into places that you would have much difficulty getting to with a TIG torch. Change to a different flux and you can weld copper,steel,or stainless steel to aluminum. I keep a bolt welded to a block of aluminum in the welding supply cabinet for those-know it all- arc weld guys that come into the shop.

george

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dr.sportster

12-24-2004 17:38:31




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 Re: Brazing aluminum with your torch set. in reply to cmbb, 12-24-2004 16:15:31  
Where do you get the hydrogen bottle from?Iknow you can gas weld thin al with use of flux and an aluminum rod.TIG would do thicker than sheet aluminum.I am not familiar with hydrogen in any welding ops.There are solder and flux to join different types a of metals repair antique car emblems etc.at welding supply house.Some can join brass.alum.and steel.first melts at 350 then takes 700 degrees to remelt.But it is only a solder product.

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cmbb

12-25-2004 04:44:08




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 Re: Brazing aluminum with your torch set. in reply to dr.sportster, 12-24-2004 17:38:31  
T-Bone ; very informative thank you

DRsportstr; I dont know where to get it. i was reading in Finchs book about brazing AL.



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dr.sportster

12-26-2004 08:31:16




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 Re: Brazing aluminum with your torch set. in reply to cmbb, 12-25-2004 04:44:08  
Yes,now that I have opened my mouth I cant find anything like this solder in my catalogs.I googled special solders;dont see anything with a higher remelt temp.It was demonstrated to us by a salesman[they wouldnt lie right?]Purchased by the Marine Corps.I used it to repair a brass rod from a carburator amoung other things.As I recall it was expensive,would not work without the special flux.I will keep looking.May I ask what you are trying to repair?

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