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which coil do I have?

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Kurtb

01-29-2008 07:35:01




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Back to the resistor issue, since I have a 12 volt battery, how can I determine if I have a 12 volt coil or if the system is stepped down to acomodate a 6 volt coil since the coil isn't currently being energized due to that failed resistor?




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OKDAD

01-29-2008 22:50:26




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 Re: which coil do I have? in reply to Bruce (VA), 01-29-2008 07:35:01  

Hobo,NC said: (quoted from post at 19:05:50 01/29/08) You can read the resistors with a cheap meter,,, DVOM any ways,,,, Hook the 2 leads together record the reading,,, add it to the reading you git check'n the resistor...


Hobo....I think you mean to subtract the initial (zero) reading from what you get when measuring the resistor. :?:

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Hobo,NC

01-30-2008 06:19:23




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 Re: which coil do I have? in reply to OKDAD, 01-29-2008 22:50:26  
Human error I spec,,,not as EZ as it sounds,,, here"s a good read on coil check"n with a meter

1) click to the right in red,,, Motor Magazine

2) Articles & features

3) eye on electronics



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Dunk

01-29-2008 18:41:21




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 Re: which coil do I have? in reply to ricky1956, 01-29-2008 07:35:01  

Hobo,NC said: (quoted from post at 23:29:46 01/29/08) Are you 12v, for the right reasons?!?!?!?!

till they come up with sum'n better,,, till then 12v till the day I die,,, and i know the difference,,, taint hide'n nuttin,,, not a Me to man


As long as one has a good grip on one's resistor(s)...

And as long as it don't look like a bicycle handle grip.

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Dunk

01-29-2008 16:59:06




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 Re: which coil do I have? in reply to Bob - MI, 01-29-2008 07:35:01  

Hobo,NC said: (quoted from post at 21:05:50 01/29/08) You can read the resistors with a cheap meter,,, DVOM any ways,,,, Hook the 2 leads together record the reading,,, add it to the reading you git check'n the resistor

What most folks don't figger on is you need to check amps to the coil at charging voltage,,, not static battery voltage.

The only way I know to do that with out a low amp probe and a lab scope is install a battery charger,,,14.5Vs are so,,, switch on,,, points closed,,, DVOM in series to the coil,,, use amp set'n

I don't own a cheap DVOM,,, don't the cheap'ns have a amp set'n,,, any one interested in a damm good mega buck meter at a low price keep yer eye on craigslist for a Snap-on Vantage power graphing meter,,, I have seen one for $75,,, seen a few for $200,,, folks are dump'n them for the nicer vantage pro,,, The Vantage sells for around $1500. i have had a lab scope for years but always wanted a Vantage,,, picked up one at a deal,,, shore nuff I was miss'n out,,, nice little toy in the rite hands.


HOBO!!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Are you 12v, for the right reasons?!?!?!?!

Right now I am trying to ESP (Extra Speshual Personaility) Dell>>>AnD John_PA.... go figger...

Oh, Well..

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Hobo,NC

01-29-2008 18:29:46




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 Re: which coil do I have? in reply to Dunk, 01-29-2008 16:59:06  
Are you 12v, for the right reasons?!?!?!?!

till they come up with sum'n better,,, till then 12v till the day I die,,, and i know the difference,,, taint hide'n nuttin,,, not a Me to man



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Hobo,NC

01-29-2008 16:05:50




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 Re: which coil do I have? in reply to Kurtb, 01-29-2008 07:35:01  
You can read the resistors with a cheap meter,,, DVOM any ways,,,, Hook the 2 leads together record the reading,,, add it to the reading you git check'n the resistor

What most folks don't figger on is you need to check amps to the coil at charging voltage,,, not static battery voltage.

The only way I know to do that with out a low amp probe and a lab scope is install a battery charger,,,14.5Vs are so,,, switch on,,, points closed,,, DVOM in series to the coil,,, use amp set'n

I don't own a cheap DVOM,,, don't the cheap'ns have a amp set'n,,, any one interested in a damm good mega buck meter at a low price keep yer eye on craigslist for a Snap-on Vantage power graphing meter,,, I have seen one for $75,,, seen a few for $200,,, folks are dump'n them for the nicer vantage pro,,, The Vantage sells for around $1500. i have had a lab scope for years but always wanted a Vantage,,, picked up one at a deal,,, shore nuff I was miss'n out,,, nice little toy in the rite hands.

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36 coupe

01-29-2008 14:09:08




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 Re: which coil do I have? in reply to Kurtb, 01-29-2008 07:35:01  
My old meter 1950 can tell me if an scr or a 6amp diode are shorted.They are in paralell.Unsoldering the scr is tough the diode is easy.



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Jerry/MT

01-29-2008 10:26:47




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 Re: which coil do I have? in reply to Kurtb, 01-29-2008 07:35:01  
I have a Simpson 260 -8P VOM and the last time I checked the "real" 12 volt coil was like 3 ohms and the "pseudo-12 V"/6V was ~ 1.5 ohms.



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soundguy

01-29-2008 08:32:36




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 Re: which coil do I have? in reply to Kurtb, 01-29-2008 07:35:01  
Side or front mount ?

soundguy



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Kurtb

01-29-2008 08:36:52




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 Re: which coil do I have? in reply to soundguy, 01-29-2008 08:32:36  
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soundguy

01-29-2008 09:51:26




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 Re: which coil do I have? in reply to Kurtb, 01-29-2008 08:36:52  
The front mounts are among the hardest to determine as they do not have their votlage range printed on them, and the 6v and 12v models don't differ usually more than an ohm or so in primary resistance making it hard for a consumer grade ohm meter to determine what you have.

You can do an in-circuit test.. and close your points, and put an ammeter inline, use your amp reading along with system voltage to calculate your correct resistance.. once you hav ethe correct resistance number.. you can determine if it was intended to be a 6v or 12v coil, and then add serieal resistance as needed. The calculation step could be skipped by adding serial resistance till your amp reading was between 3-4 amps.. etc.

soundguy

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russbWA

01-29-2008 12:04:40




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 Re: which coil do I have? in reply to soundguy, 01-29-2008 09:51:26  
Sound Guy, I had a brain storm a while back. Why not put together a "Resistor Box" with switches and resistors to function similar to a rheostat. Resistors and parallel wire by pass controlled by switch modules, several of these, in series. Then just run with as much resistance as possible.

With the flakey parts and meters, getting a right number may not be as important as by gosh N' by golly.

It would help also when the points get out, just reduce the resistance one click an if it runs better you have one point of info for diagnostics....

russb, long on ideas, short on follow through.

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soundguy

01-29-2008 12:18:27




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 Re: which coil do I have? in reply to russbWA, 01-29-2008 12:04:40  
Sounds like you are talking about a rotary switch with say.. resistance increases in 1/4 ohm increments.

Easy to build... but really pointless ( no pun intended ).. just getting the correct ressitance in the line and keeping the contacts clean are all that is needed.

the range of acceptable resistances is small enough that a simple 'test and plug' diagnostic approach can work.

But if you do build one.. I'd like to see pics / schematics all the same...

soundguy

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russbWA

01-29-2008 12:57:27




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 Re: which coil do I have? in reply to soundguy, 01-29-2008 12:18:27  
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Sound Guy, I sort of garbled what I was trying not to say. Not sure if this scan will work Link



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Dell (WA)

01-29-2008 13:42:45




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 Re: which coil do I have? in reply to russbWA, 01-29-2008 12:57:27  
Russ..... ...yer over-thinking things. Even iff'n you could "find" 1/4-ohm resistors to make a decade box, they'd haffta be BIG 25-watt honkers. Just use yer VOLTMETER to measure everything. Plenty accurate. No need to measure amps..... ..Dell, yer self-appointed sparkie-meister



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russbWA

01-29-2008 15:35:16




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 Re: which coil do I have? in reply to Dell (WA), 01-29-2008 13:42:45  
Dell, thanks for the guidance. Since there would be more resistors sharing TDP, would not the heat be distributed?

Maybe better to go with higher resistance resistors in parallel. I don't want this to backfire on me where I would have to defend myself by actually building something.

I'll have more ideas.

Spokane is getting heavy snow, so I have logged some seat time.

Kind regards, russ

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Bob

01-30-2008 14:57:11




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 Re: which coil do I have? in reply to russbWA, 01-29-2008 15:35:16  
Get a 50 or 100 Watt 10 Ohm rheostat!

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soundguy

01-30-2008 06:00:45




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 Re: which coil do I have? in reply to russbWA, 01-29-2008 15:35:16  
The resistor in the box that is not switched would have to be able to handle/disipate the entire load.

The switch box you drew out is functionally ok.. but it is bulky, needing lots of switches. What you are trying to do can be accomplished with a multi-position rotary switch ( SPMT - I guess? )the switch will have 2 wires to it and a bunch of switch contacts to wire up.. run all the resistors in series, have the switch 1st wire start after the first resistor, and have the switch 2nd wire run out to your load. Now.. wire each of those resistors to the rotary contacts.. so that as you turn the switch you are adding 1 more resistor in line.

As Dell said.. it's a long way past your elbow to accomplish what you need.. unless you just want to build that big stepped variable resistor. ( Wow.. dell brough back some nostalgia for me.. I haven't used a decade box or the term itself in 20 years! )

As Dell points out.. due to ohms law.. V will be correct , and in relationship to A(I) and R.. so if you are getting correct voltage at the coil, you can assume the load (R) is correct, and thus A (I ) will be correct.

Soundguy

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LeeMo

01-29-2008 08:16:54




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 Re: which coil do I have? in reply to Kurtb, 01-29-2008 07:35:01  
If it's a side-mount distributor it may be as simple as removing the coil from the bracket and reading the side of it.



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Dukester

01-29-2008 07:52:51




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 Re: which coil do I have? in reply to Kurtb, 01-29-2008 07:35:01  
I asked this same question recently, and the consensus was it's difficult to figure out without high grade equipment. A regular ohm-meter won't cut it. But I did get this (from JMOR)..

Like about a dozen or so folks will say, it is difficult to get reliable ohm readings with a ohmmeter. If it is a multimeter capable of reading amperes, connect meter and coil in series with a battery and read current. Divide the battery voltage by current to obtain ohms. Would be even better if you can simultaneously read coil voltage and coil current to eliminate voltage drops in battery, wires, ammeter, connections, etc.

Dukester

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