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12 Volt Alternator Not Charging

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Lindsay (NC)

04-26-2007 13:08:45




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I was searching the archives and ran across a post made by Dell and had a question about it. Here is the snippet I had questions about.

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There are two other connections, P1 which needs a
switched 12 volt source to keep the alternator from feeding back into the ignition coil so you can turn the engine off. That is what the dash light/marker light does. It also acts as an "idiot light" just like in your car when the light lights up, the alternator is not charging/engine not running. Some times the convertor uses a diode (which is a 1-way switch) to disconnect the alternator from the ignition coil. Same effect, same reason. I personally like using an idiot light scheme because unless you are an electonics engineer, its hard to determine which way to connect the diode to make it work correctly.

P2 is called the battery "sense" line that electrically tells the voltage regulator what the battery voltage is, kind of neat if your battery is in the trunk of your tractor and you have a voltage loss from the long wires, but in this case the simplest thing, since the battery is so close, is to directly connect the "sense" to the alternator output (which goes to the battery anyway)

There is an optional voltage regulator that can be installed inside the alternator that does away with the need for any other external wiring to P1 and P2....BUT....you have to jazz your engine to high RPM's to get the alternator to start charging. Thats ok for automobile engines that rev to 5000+ RPM, but your N-Tractor engine is redlined at 2200 RPM and idles at 400 RPM. I really don't like to jazz my engine that much, and altho just 1 wire seem like a neat way to go, it is not my favorite or recommended way to convert. But you can if you want to.
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I only have one wire coming from the alternator. I would assume that my alternator has the built-in voltage regulator that he mentioned. My question is can/should I still wire the P1 and P2 connectors like he said above or will it fry something? I don't like the idea of revving the engine and lately my battery has been dying so I don't think the alternator is putting out. I've owned this tractor for a few years now and it seems like I have to charge the battery at least once a year if not more. Just yesterday I was discing with it and shut it down only to find out when I went to cramk it 30 min later the batter just gave out. I gave it a quick 10 min charge and it fired right up. It's on the charger now getting a good full charge. I did rev the engine before I started, hoping it would help the battery to charge.

Link to forum post where the quote was taken from:
http://www.ytmag.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=nboard&th=66594

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Ford 312

04-26-2007 17:31:24




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 Re: 12 Volt Alternator Not Charging in reply to Lindsay (NC), 04-26-2007 13:08:45  
I bought an 8N with a one wire alternator. I wired it with the P1 and P2 connectors just as if it were a three wire alternator. I used a diode. Diode direction can easily be determined with a test light. Alternator charges just above idle and works good. So far no problems. Others have wired their one wire alternator same way.



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Dell (WA)

04-26-2007 13:41:04




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 Re: 12 Volt Alternator Not Charging in reply to Lindsay (NC), 04-26-2007 13:08:45  
Lindsay..... ...guilty. The deceptively desirable 1-wire 12-volt alternator uses a special internal non-standard (made by somebody else) voltage regulator/exciter. They work great on auto/truck conversions that are started everyday 'cuz the tricky electronics DRAIN the battery. Which is what you are noticing in yer once-inna-while tractor usage.

I don't think you can use the P1-excite/P2-sense plug on a 1-wire alternator to re-convert it to a 3-wire alternator. I don't know for certain as there are several 1-wire alternator conversion schemes.

Me? I'd take BOTH the alternator and the BATTERY into an autoparts store for a "FREE" checkout. Batterys don't live forever in tractor service ..... ...Dell, the guilty

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Bob Harvey

04-26-2007 16:42:52




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 Re: 12 Volt Alternator Not Charging in reply to Dell (WA), 04-26-2007 13:41:04  
Hey Dell, maybe you could post the link to the B-52 for the rest of the folks to enjoy. I don't know how and (obviously) am too lazy to learn. Bob



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