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12v vers. 6v stock???

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GB in MT.

11-24-2006 08:26:26




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What is the advantage of shiffting to 12v convergence from 6v poss. ground. I keep seeing on here, all the problems guys are having after the change over. It seems to me that my stock 6v, runs everything fine. The one thing I have noticed, is with the stock 6v, I get to clean contacts on the grounding more often. I just wanted to know why I should spend all those $$$. If the advantages are worth it???? GB

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dlplost

11-24-2006 14:44:53




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 Re: 12v vers. 6v stock??? in reply to GB in MT., 11-24-2006 08:26:26  
I have both.
1950 12v and 1952 6v.

The ONLY reason I converted the 1950 to 12v was due to the FEL. The front mounted pump was too much load for the 6v starter in the winter. At the time i was using motor oil for hydraulic fluid. Oil was too thick. i"ve since switched to regular hydraulic oil, and i think 6v would start it ok now.
The only problem i ever had with the conversion was burning up points, switch to a 12v coil and haven"t a problem since.

The 1952 is 6v and i see no reason to change it, it starts first try every time.

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old

11-24-2006 09:19:32




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 Re: 12v vers. 6v stock??? in reply to GB in MT., 11-24-2006 08:26:26  
Most of the time its done because of other problems with the engine. Low compression or other problems cause people to switch to 12 volts. Now as far as problems with the switch most of the time its because the person doesn't know what hes doing. I've done 30 plus convertions and have never had any problem doing them but I was also an E.T. when I was in the navy so working with Zap-U-Trons is no big deal with me

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GB in MT

11-24-2006 09:27:46




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 Re: 12v vers. 6v stock??? in reply to old, 11-24-2006 09:19:32  
OLD: Where the heck ya been? Really, after your advice on freeing up the rings, I have not had any problems with the 2N (HERMIE) stands for Herman P. Wattenabble. Har!!! GB



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old

11-24-2006 09:38:46




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 Re: 12v vers. 6v stock??? in reply to GB in MT, 11-24-2006 09:27:46  
Been one every day, just don't always post. Sort of funny how doing something so easy wil fix a problem isn't it?/ Glad to here that what I told you worked.



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GB in MT.

11-24-2006 08:54:33




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 Re: 12v vers. 6v stock??? in reply to GB in MT., 11-24-2006 08:26:26  
Dennis: My god man, If I wanted to have music while I plow snow, I'd get my grandsons MP3 player. Hardy har.

Bruce: you just made up my mind.! I'm sticking to 6v stock 2N. Like you said, I do NOT even have to chk. Her, and it is starting every time on starter first time around. Sound advice, is very easy here. Thanks



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Bruce (VA)

11-24-2006 08:41:29




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 Re: 12v vers. 6v stock??? in reply to GB in MT., 11-24-2006 08:26:26  
If you need to run 12v equipment (sprayers, pumps, lights, etc) or you N has poor compression (like less than 90 lbs) and you do not want to rebuild it, then a 12v conversion makes sense. Otherwise, you will likely be trading one set of problems for another. If your N is hard to start in cold weather (or any weather) find out why & fix it! These tractors have low compression, low HP engines and will start just fine on 6v. There is nothing inherently 'wrong' w/ a 12v conversion. The problem is that there are about 6 different ways to convert the tractor to 12v, all of them work, and an infinite number of ways to do it wrong. It's like this..... if you have a basic understanding of tractor mechanics, you can buy a quality kit & do it correctly. But, and here is the #1 issue: the first time you have an electrical problem, you are going to have to explain to everyone trying to help exactly how your tractor is wired & what exact parts you used. The owner of one of the local small tractor repair/parts shops around here refuses to work on electrical problems on 12v conversion tractors that he did not convert himself. As he explained to me, at $50 per hour, tractor owners get mighty hot when they get a $100 or $150 bill just for him to find the problem. If I had a good running N w/ a 12v conversion, I would take the time to figure out exactly what parts it had & exactly how it was wired & write it down while it was still running, because the first time you have a problem, everyone will ask you for the alternator type, number of resistors, 12v or 6v coil, etc, etc. Most problems we read about w/ 12v conversions are as a result of folks getting in over their heads or buying tractors w/ "Bubba" conversions, and now the new owner is stuck with trying to figure it out. Now, having said all of these good things about 12v conversions, I must declare, for the record, all three of my N's are 6v & they all three start the first time, every time, no matter what the weather. You will find that to be the case with folks who live in a lot of places much colder than VA.

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MIDennis

11-24-2006 08:40:28




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 Re: 12v vers. 6v stock??? in reply to GB in MT., 11-24-2006 08:26:26  
It is a lot like a 6 volt portable drill or a 12 volt portable drill. A little more umph under stressed conditions. Besided it is easier to find a 12 volt AM/FM radio for the rig.(A gentlemans tractor)



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