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12 volt coil issue revisited

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Rick H. Ga.

11-07-2004 20:52:36




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I thought it rather ironic to read the long post below about the 12-volt conversion/ignition coil issue. This weekend I was using my newly restored Jubilee, which has been running great. Suddenly, it shut down like I turned the switch off. After some basic trouble shooting, I determined that the 6-volt coil with ballast resistor had failed/shorted. The tractor had a 12-volt conversion when I got it so I went back with the 12 conversion, which seemed to work great. I have used the tractor for about 5 or 6 hours trouble free.

I replaced the 6-volt coil and ballast resistor with a new 12-volt coil that does not require an external resistor. The tractor cranked and ran great as it did before.

My question is, do I still need the "Dell recommended" 1/2 ohm, 20 watt resistor with the true 12 volt coil? The alternator does indeed put out about 14.5 volts. Thanks.

Rick H. Ga.

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Dell (WA)

11-08-2004 00:37:20




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 Re: 12 volt coil issue revisited in reply to Rick H. Ga., 11-07-2004 20:52:36  
Rick..... ....you read but you don't understand. It is good to ask questions when you don't understand.

My secret trick 1/2 ohm current limiting resistor is for ONLY the modern 12 volt SQUARECAN ignition coil used on the FRONTMOUNT distributor on the 9N/2N/8N flathead 12 volt converted engine.

The un-converted 6-volt frontmount ignition coil still requires the "infamous ballast resistor" and NEVER the secret trick 1/2 ohm resistor. Understand?

Your 4-cylinder NAA Jubilee OHV engine has a roundcan ignition coil and a sidemounted distributor with a 5-nipple cap. They make real 12 volt, NO RESISTOR NEEDED, roundcan 1-nipple ignition coils. Continue to use one on your 12 volt converted NAA electrical system with NO resistor..... ...respectfully, Dell

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rlp

11-08-2004 11:05:41




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 Re: 12 volt coil issue revisited in reply to Dell (WA), 11-08-2004 00:37:20  
Dell: I just finished installing the 12 volt conversion kit on my 9N which has an 8N engine. The prior owner had removed most of the wiring and incorrectly wired in an old 74 Chev alternator which didn"t work. The instructions which came with the kit(from Yesterdays Tractors) didn"t contain a schematic , only a picture showing partial instructions. It showed the coil lead going to the old original resistor board and then their supplied resistor in series from that. I used the schematic from this site and wired in a marker lamp to prevent run on and left out all of the resistors. It starts and runs well, but I"m concerned that I should have a resistor in line per your instructions. Should I be using the resistor that came with the kit? Originally I wired up per the picture instructions through both resistors and couldn"t get started.

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Dell (WA)

11-08-2004 12:13:29




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 Re: 12 volt coil issue revisited in reply to rlp, 11-08-2004 11:05:41  
rlp..... .....I don't know.

Unfortunately, you don't provide me enuff information about the component parts of your IGNITION system. ...but... it sounds like your description of diagram using "2 resistors" is the normal 12 volt conversion scheme using the 6-volt squarecan ignition coil plus its manditory "infamous ballast resistor" AND a 12 to 6 volt coverting resistor connected in series like flashlight batterys.

And since you claim when you wired your 12 volt conversion per the drawing and it wouldn't start, my guess is that the squarecan ignition coil was a supplied modern 12 volt squarecan ignition coil and it just plain won't work on the approximately 4 volts the 2-resistors supply. (ALTHO the OEM 6 volt coil works quite well with that resistor scheme and 12 volts)

And I can't begin to guess about the "kit-supplied" resistor, but I can supply some direction there.

A 12 to 6 volt converting resistor will have about 1.5 to 2 ohms resistance. The recommended 12 volt squarecan current limiting resistor is 1/2 ohm. Now most ohm meters don't measure low values of resistance very accurately (its a technical thing) but we looking at 3 to 4 times value of difference between the 2 types of resistors. So measure your kit resistor. Sometimes they even have the ohm value printed on the sides.

Also measure the ignition coil primary resistance. Simplely connect one ohmmeter lead to the squarecan top terminal and measure the resistance to both bottom terminals. The high voltage secondary will read about 7000 ohms for eather the 6 or 12 volt coil. The 6 volt primary will read about 1-ohm. The 12 volt primary will read about 3-ohm. Again major determinate differences.

Once you know the kit resistor value and your frontmount coil primary resistance, then you can determine what to do about the your current ignition coil wiring..... ..... respectfully, Dell a 12 volt advocate for the right reasons

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Bob

11-07-2004 21:06:25




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 Re: 12 volt coil issue revisited in reply to Rick H. Ga., 11-07-2004 20:52:36  
Most "roundcan", automotive-style 12 Volt coils labelled "external resistor NOT required" work just fine as you have yours set up. As a matter of fact, I have never seen one set up with any type of external resistance.

For some reason, the makers of the Ford "N" series 12 Volt replacement front-mount coils just can't seem to get their act together, and make a coil that can withstand the voltage of a modern 12 Volt conversion, without the need for a resistor.

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Dean

11-08-2004 07:10:00




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 Re: 12 volt coil issue revisited in reply to Bob, 11-07-2004 21:06:25  
Automotive applications using 12V Kettering ignition systems used a ballast resistor in series with the coil primary. This resistor was shorted out (bypassed) during cranking when the starter was drawing high current and the internal resistance of the battery allowed the terminal voltage of the battery to be reduced much below open circuit voltage. This assured a healthy primary coil current and resulting strong spark during cranking. Most (all?) 12V conversions on farm tractors do not have this feature. Yet another reason to not convert to 12V.

Dean

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Dell (WA)

11-08-2004 12:35:24




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 Re: 12 volt coil issue revisited in reply to Dean, 11-08-2004 07:10:00  
Gee Dean..... ...you have just described exactly what the N-Ford 6-volt frontmount ignition system does automatically with the "infamous ballast resistor" and doesn't take external contacts on the ignition switch or starter solenoid to accomplish. And since you're really suckin' the 12 volt battery down with the 6 volt starter motor, I wonder why these farmtractors ever start when converted to 12 volts?

Those ballest by-passed ignition coils are really designed to provide optimum sparkies on about 8 volts and even a near-death 12 volt battery drugged down by starter load is gonnna be close to 10 volts. Wow, 10 volts onnna 8 volt coil is gonnna really supply HOTTER SPARKIES for the 5-10 seconds it takes to crank and start the modern 12 volt engine before the ignition switch operated resistor by-pass is back in the circuit supplying 8 volts for the ignition coil. Your theory is right but your understanding is not quite. ..... ..respectfully, Dell a 12 volt advocate for the right reasons.

That said, I haven't found the right reason for my eazy starting 6 volt 52 8N, and I know how to do it right, the first time.

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old

11-07-2004 21:05:03




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 Re: 12 volt coil issue revisited in reply to Rick H. Ga., 11-07-2004 20:52:36  
If its a true 12 coil no you don't need the resister



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