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bucki

08-24-2003 20:00:50




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Hello. First let me apologize to all of the ignition gurus if some of this is remedial. I did read all previous posts via search but still feel compelled to ask "my" situation here. Awhile back I posted re running 30mins and then tractor quitting. For reference I have a '52 8N 12V converted with side mount distributor. You guys informed me that likely to be the coil since mounted up front. In replacing it with a 12V coil, while tightening the last nut, I snapped off the primary terminal bolt coming out of the distributor. A few choice words later I realized I had broken the copper strip within the distributor AS WELL. Now having fixed the "issues" that I am aware of and some tweaking of timing etc. I am at this stage regarding the coil. On the outside of the coil itself, it reads "USES EXTERNAL RESISTOR". So my question is.....where in the line do I put the resistor? Does it go in line with the wire connecting to the pos side of the coil? If so, do I merely cut the line and connect each new end to opposite ends of the resistor? Where is the most convenient location to do so? Is a simple external resistor found on an 8N parts site sufficient (~$4-)? BTW, tractor started but ran out of time to allow to run for awhile and wasnt sure if would be wise without asking here first for fear of it burning up the coil. So now I wait for the wisdom of those around me. As always thanks for the information.

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loren

08-25-2003 13:15:11




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 Re: 12V ignition coil in reply to bucki, 08-24-2003 20:00:50  
hey Bucki just a note from a poor white boy,with alot of heart,when I posted a message about nippondenso starters,for 9n,or when I ask what oil I should use I got mixed results,from being a commy,to buy a book stupid,so just keep asking and the good guys will answer



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Phil (NJ-AZ-SK)

08-25-2003 07:06:22




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 Re: 12V ignition coil in reply to bucki, 08-24-2003 20:00:50  
Bucki, >>>You guys informed me that likely to be the coil since mounted up front. >>>

That advise would apply to a Front Mount DIST and
not your Side Mount..... ..... .

The Side mount (your's) OEM coil is a 6 volt but has a Resistive value of 1.3 Ohms.... The normal "round" 12 Volt Coil will have a LOW resistive value of about .6 Ohms

Its the Coil Resistive value that will determine the amount of External Ballast required.. NOTE: the Front Mount coil (not Side mount) 12V has a Resistive value of 3.5 Ohms and is an unusual coil (ugly duckling)

The OEM (6V) coil will work with an ICR-13 (ballast) but don't know what type of 12 volt coil you have now installed..(Usually the "HOTTER" the 12 volt coil the LESS the Resistance of the Coil and the "larger" the Ballast)

NOTE: The Coil Clamp forms part of the Heat distribution and should be tight and attached to the Block...

Hope This Helps,

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Hobo,NC

08-25-2003 04:02:40




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 Re: 12V ignition coil in reply to bucki, 08-24-2003 20:00:50  
Napa # IC14SB coil $14.00 needs no external resistor. If you have a resistor now remove it.
Coil may not be as big around as 6V coil just rap some tape around coil to make it fit the coil bracket.



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Dell (WA)

08-24-2003 22:48:09




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 Re: 12V ignition coil in reply to bucki, 08-24-2003 20:00:50  
Bucki..... .....ah yes, the roundcan, 1-size fits all, 12 volt ignition coil. (requires an external 12 to 6 volt converting resistor to fit).

Connect your necessary 12 to 6 volt converting resistor between the ignition coil and the ignition switch anywhere it is convient. Sorry, I don't have a p/n because there are numerous mfgs and they all have different p/n's for essentually the same part. Just ask your partsperson for a 12 to 6 volt converting resistor for an ignition coil. Should be able to fix you right up..... ..Dell, a 12 volt advocate for the right reasons

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Steve(OR)

08-25-2003 00:22:04




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 Re: Re: 12V ignition coil in reply to Dell (WA), 08-24-2003 22:48:09  
No offense intended but I flunked mind reading. Its been awhile - Could you delineate the 'right' reasons? If I search the archives for 'the right reasons' I suspect I will get a million posts from you claiming to advocate them and very few explaining your position.



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Dell (WA)

08-25-2003 06:55:33




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 Re: Re: Re: 12V ignition coil in reply to Steve(OR), 08-25-2003 00:22:04  
Steve..... ....I'm a 12 volt advocate for the right reasons. That said, I haven't found the right reason to convert my eazy starting 6 volt 52 8N to 12 volts and I know how to do it right..... the first time. Infact, I know 8-ways to do it right.

And heres the WRONG reason..... 'cuz Ol'Bubba down at the local corner spittin'-n-whittlin' club sez its the thing to do, "Changer to 12 volts, yep, thang to due. Makes yer iddy-biddy tonka tractor start right up. 6 volts is fer wusses."

Lotta guys change to 12 volts because they have a tired, low compression, worn-out engine. And 12 volts on a 6 volt starter really spins the engine FAST and does help start, but thats just a bandaid on a sick engine. Right reason for them.

Others need more nite lite. Giggin' Frogs? Right reason for them. Others need to run spray pumps. Right reason for them. Others need to replace a bad generator system. Right economic reason for them. Those are some but not all of the right reasons.

BUT there are so many botched 12 volt conversions by the electrically challenged, that I sometimes question if there ever is a right reason. Of course, you never hear about the "no problem conversion"..... .....respectfully, Dell

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tw

08-25-2003 07:00:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 12V ignition coil in reply to Dell (WA), 08-25-2003 06:55:33  
"I know how to do it right the first time." We have heard that too many times. I once was told, if you have to tell somebody how great you are, then you aren't!



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Jim WI

08-25-2003 10:37:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 12V ignition coil in reply to tw, 08-25-2003 07:00:03  
He's just saying that he understands 12V conversions and doesn't recommend them to most people -- lighten up!

I also "know how to do it right the first time". However, given the number of questions about, and problems with 12V conversions, I agree with Dell.

When I'm advising someone against a 12V conversion I usually include the fact that my 2N has a working conversion of my own design to emphasize that I'm not a purist -- I just don't recommend the conversion in most cases.

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souNdguy

08-25-2003 04:49:01




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 Re: Re: Re: 12V ignition coil in reply to Steve(OR), 08-25-2003 00:22:04  
"""Could you delineate the 'right' reasons? If I search the archives for 'the right reasons' I suspect I will get a million posts from you claiming to advocate them and very few explaining your position."""

If you spent a few minutes thinking about 'right reasons' instead of heckling Dell.. perhaps some of those reasons might become self evident.

A couple right off the bat... A)Utility, I.E. you have an implement that requires 12v to run.. not the 6v your oem charging system provides.
Or, you need more available current ( for lights, etc ) than your genny can deliver ( 11-20 amps or so ).
B) economic, I.e. you have an N that has a bad/needs to be replaced charging system ( battery, and generator, and regulator are all bad )... At this point it is cheper to install an alternator ( and reg, if you go that route ) and 12v battery, than to go back to oem status... mainly due to the drastic difference in price in an oem 6v genny, and a dime a dozen delco 10-si alternator... no to mention that it can run without an external regulator, with the propper support wiring, etc..

The right reasons do not include: Insufficient spark due to poorly wired/setup or marginal ignition components. Or slow starter rpms. The oem slow 6v starter on the N is more than sufficient to generate enough rpms for starting. If it doesn't, converting to 12v is only a bandaid technique to cover the real problem. ( I.E. : spark problem, low compression, worn out starter.. etc )


thanks

Soundguy

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Steve(OR)

08-25-2003 10:46:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 12V ignition coil in reply to souNdguy, 08-25-2003 04:49:01  
Please read my response to Ron/PA above. I was not heckling Dell. He has a wealth of information as do you and many others here. It was useful to hear that he has apparently has not converted to 12 volt. Yes, I could come up with my own reasons, but isn't the purpose of this board to share ideas?



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souNdguy

08-25-2003 12:45:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 12V ignition coil in reply to Steve(OR), 08-25-2003 10:46:10  
""Please read my response to Ron/PA above. I was not heckling Dell. He has a wealth of information as do you and many others here. It was useful to hear that he has apparently has not converted to 12 volt. Yes, I could come up with my own reasons, but isn't the purpose of this board to share ideas? ""

Sorry I came on so strong... Too often I see people heckling the ones they need the answers from.. gets to you after a while. Again, my mistake.

And Yes.. Dell is a wealth of knowledge... he has probably forgotton more than I will ever learn about tractors

Actually many of us havn't converted. For instance, my 52 8n is still oem 6vpg.. my naa has been converted, but by a previous owner.

Good luck,

soundguy

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