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Diesel in Oil Pan question again

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OkieDokie

01-23-2008 16:36:37




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Reposting because these things kind of get lost. Taking everyone's advice about the fuel lift pump diaphram is bad. So, my next question would be: Do I have to replace the entire lift pump or can you give me some idea where I can order one. I can get the entire lift pump on this site, but no mention of just the diaphram. Thanks, Okie




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oldhousehugger25

03-08-2008 17:59:59




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 Re: Diesel in Oil Pan question again in reply to OkieDokie, 01-23-2008 16:36:37  
You see those dang olives all over CAV pumps and perkins diesels. I think it's an English thing. That way no one wants to work on them but the trained techs. Kind of like now with car computers only now it's way worse.



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Finn Md

01-24-2008 10:44:53




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 Re: Diesel in Oil Pan question again in reply to OkieDokie, 01-23-2008 16:36:37  
You should buy the complete lift pump from a MF dealer. The new lift pump will be cheaper or similar price than a rebuild kit. The job is straightforward. Most recently I replaced lift pump last year on my MF165 for about $35. The hardest part of the job is to get the fuel lines off the pump, as there are these black rubber "olives" at the ends of the inlet and outlet fuel lines in pump that get hard and keep the lines attached. Shut off fuel valve at tank and remove pump. Place a big pan under to catch fuel drips. You will likely have to wiggle and pull hard the fuel lines back and forth to get them out of the lift pump. It was easier for me to do with the lift pump unbolted from the engine. When you replace the pump try using a dull awl or something real thin to help seat the "olives" at fuel lines ends when you attach them back inside pump. Simply air bleed system after the new pump is installed. Might also be a good time to replace fuel filters since you have to air bleed anyways. Good Luck.

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OkieDokie

01-24-2008 02:51:39




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 Re: Diesel in Oil Pan question again in reply to OkieDokie, 01-23-2008 16:36:37  
Thanks MF and Gerald for the good advice. Nice to have such a bank of wisdom to learn from! There is a MF dealer in Broken Arrow,OK, not too far from us. Will call them and see if they have or can order me the whole lift pump.



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MF Poor

01-24-2008 04:29:45




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 Re: Diesel in Oil Pan question again in reply to OkieDokie, 01-24-2008 02:51:39  
Every connection in the fuel lines on a Massey has these little rubber O-rings/rubber donuts that seal the fittings. My batting average with dis-assemble/re-assemble with used O-rings is less than stellar. If the lift pump is original, those O-rings have been in place for a long while. Better than average chance they'll NOT come apart intact. I'd suggest grabbing a few of them while you're ordering parts. Might save you a return trip or a pesky leak after you swap pumps.

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MF Poor

01-23-2008 17:08:58




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 Re: Diesel in Oil Pan question again in reply to OkieDokie, 01-23-2008 16:36:37  
Rebuild kit is still available through MF/AGCO. Last one I bought was about $18. Aftermarket pumps a little more expensive than the kit. Rebuild takes all of 5 minutes. Pump replacement about 20 minutes. OEM pump better quality than any aftermarket kits I've seen.



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Gerald J.

01-23-2008 16:55:07




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 Re: Diesel in Oil Pan question again in reply to OkieDokie, 01-23-2008 16:36:37  
Used to be pump parts were available. Today mostly the parts aren't. The pump is the smallest part available, and probably the more successful repair than replacing diphragm and valves and linkage.

Gerald J.



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OkieDokie

01-25-2008 05:06:46




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 Re: Diesel in Oil Pan question again in reply to Gerald J., 01-23-2008 16:55:07  
Job Done! Swapped out the whole pump. Thanks guys. Especially the tips about those donut seals on the fuel line connections. Yall saved me an extra trip to Tulsa because I would have never thought to get new ones. Who ever invented those seals must have really hated tractor mechanics, lol. I did go ahead and change out the filters too, as advised.



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DavidP, South Wales

01-25-2008 08:57:10




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 Re: Diesel in Oil Pan question again in reply to OkieDokie, 01-25-2008 05:06:46  
No, don't think he hated mechanics....more a case of saving a penny or two and not bothered because he would never have to remove them when new or old.
DavidP, South Wales



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