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4020 Electronic Ignition

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ET

10-19-2003 11:55:03




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My brother has a 4020 with a Denny's electronic ignition on it. I cannot get it to fire. When I pull the coil wire out of the distributer and crank the engine over I get two sparks. One when I just hit the key and the other just as I let off the key. We tried towing it withe the idea that the starter was robbing to much current but got no fire at all. There is 12 volts to the ignition resistor and 5.8 volts coming out to the coil while cranking. I tried hot wiring to the coil ant got nothing. Does anyone have any ideas?

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Rick vjohnyboy

10-22-2003 10:21:02




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 Re: 4020 Electronic Ignition in reply to ET, 10-19-2003 11:55:03  
you forgot to hook up the wire from the key ignition the 4020 had a booster wire from the solenoid on the starter to give it 12v when cranking in cold weather but as soon as you reslease the starter button it stops and a second wire will provide the voltage the booster wire aint needed but its up to you you need to get power to the coil then try it also you could just check it by going right to the battery to coil with a wire

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Clooney

10-20-2003 04:02:19




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 Re: 4020 Electronic Ignition in reply to ET, 10-19-2003 11:55:03  
ET, most electronic ignitions don't use the factory ballast resistor so that 5.8 volts could be too low. [call the manufacturer of your EI unit & ask them about that resistor].

~If the resistor isn't the problem then for some reason your unit is only triggering when the power is applied & removed, that usually means it is wired incorrectly or shorted.

~One other thing to look at is the tractor's battery ground polarity. Some of those EI units are meant to be used at a certain battery polarity & if your tractor is using a different battery ground polarity than the unit is designed for it won't work correctly.

JDClooney@aol.com

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John T

10-19-2003 16:52:52




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 Re: 4020 Electronic Ignition in reply to ET, 10-19-2003 11:55:03  
Hey there ET, I still see you in those videos we made when you were at my camper up at the NYS Expo and my daughter (darn teenagers) was giving me crap claiming she couldnt get my Deere Massey in 3rd gear and had the audacity (obviously gets that attitude from her mom) to accuse me of locking it out lol.

That elec switch is like an on off switch to ground the coils low output side to conduct coil current (just like when points were closed) and then open it ONLY WHEN the plugs are supposed to fire. Like Bob there was pointing out, if its a always closed (shorted) circuit, the coil would fire when you apply power to it and then remove it.

With the ignition on there has to be power ALWAYS on its (coil) high side first (around 12 on a 12 v coil or 6 to 9 on a 6 volt ballasted coil) and then that switch (normally closed)should open ONLY when the magnet on the distributor rotor passes by the reluctance coil pickup (thats the trigger to fire the coil). If you apply a test lamp to the coils low (to unit/distributor) and then crank the tractor over realllll slowwwww ww, it should be usually off (switch closed) but then momentarily flash on (switch open) depending on switch speed and response time. With points you can readily observe the lamp flutter at slow cranking, but not sure how fast or long or visible with that elec switch ?? If the test lamp there never comes on or flutters/flashes on momentarily, theres a short to ground either in the switch as Bob indicated or else theres a shorted wire somewhere. Does that unit still use that insulated post/stud out the disributor?? cuz be sure it or a wire to its or insides isnt shorted. With the engine cranking rapidly though, a voltmeter (depends on type and quality) at the coils low output would read voltage as it sees full then zero voltage alternatively as the switch open and closes.

I would just remove the cap and use the coil wire output to troubleshoot things to eliminate any cap or rotor problem.

Let us know, Good Luck n God Bless

John T

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Bob

10-19-2003 12:03:17




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 Re: 4020 Electronic Ignition in reply to ET, 10-19-2003 11:55:03  
The ignition module has shorted out internally.



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