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4020 Console Conversion (Dash to Console)

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4x4dually

11-20-2007 10:44:08




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I did a search on this and found where a few folks said it would be cost prohibitive and that may in fact be true. My neighbor has a '70 4020 and I have a '68. My problem is, I run a box blade proly more than anything else and it is very strenuous to watch behind, back up, turn, and run the 3-point. Am I just not limber enough or is there a better solution. If I could find a parted out console model, will the parts swap over relatively simple or is there a lot more mechanics involved in the process?

Can someone tell me the details of what all would be involved? I don't mind the hyd being ont the dash but I'd really like the lift on the side. Is there any better solution to maybe just move the 3-point?

Thanks for your time. I'm learning a lot on this forum. I usually hang out on competiondiesel.com learning how to get my dodge to 500 hp! I'd better start working on my tractor or I'll be able to out-pull it with my truck! :) Come on over and check it out!

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4020LP

11-21-2007 17:52:15




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 Re: 4020 Console Conversion (Dash to Console) in reply to 4x4dually, 11-20-2007 10:44:08  
You'd be more likely to find a hen's tooth than a parted-out "console" 4020. Plus the fact that the hydraulic systems were radically changed from the 1964-1968 tractors. You've gotten some good suggestions.



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sodly

11-21-2007 08:19:02




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 Re: 4020 Console Conversion (Dash to Console) in reply to Tom N OK, 11-20-2007 10:44:08  
Apparently the marketplace doesn't agree with Mr. Dreyfuss. Have you priced a console tractor lately? Ouch!



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msb

11-20-2007 17:15:32




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 Re: 4020 Console Conversion (Dash to Console) in reply to 4x4dually, 11-20-2007 10:44:08  
Believe me a switch would be prohibitive. The transmission and rear end would have to be changed along with a lot of hydraulic plumbing,etc. It would be a lot more practical to simply trade for a side console tractor. If you must---- rig something up ,like what has been suggested. I have both front controls and side controls. I much prefer the older models. Henry Dreyfus( a recognized genius designer in his day) spent a lot of time and effort laying out the front controls on the New Generationn tractors fron Deere.First time the "ergonomically correct design " phrase was used that I remember in the 3010 and 4010 ad campaigns. Deere only changed the layout to standardize the Deere tractor with what the rest of the industry was doing at the time. Personally, I think Deere had it right and the other manufacturers were wrong. I never have liked those knee knocker side consoles, especially the older side console models. Had my right knee banged up more than I care to remember.

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Stan - Florida

11-21-2007 12:09:14




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 Re: 4020 Console Conversion (Dash to Console) in reply to msb, 11-20-2007 17:15:32  
Bob,

I hope you have a nice Thanksgiving over there in Hoosierland (I say "over" because we're in Iowa at the moment).

Didn't you tell me you had moved to Montgomery County a while back? Where? Answer by e-mail if you want to.

Stan



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msb

11-21-2007 21:00:07




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 Re: 4020 Console Conversion (Dash to Console) in reply to Stan - Florida, 11-21-2007 12:09:14  
Thganks Stan. I bought a farm in Montgomery County, also bought a place in Madison County where I moved to. Its 2 miles south of Lapel. Saw Neal the other day at Hershberger's antique tractor sale.



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Stan - Florida

11-22-2007 06:42:43




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 Re: 4020 Console Conversion (Dash to Console) in reply to msb, 11-21-2007 21:00:07  
Bob,

We stay at the Glowood RV park just north of I-69 and just west of highway 13.

Almost neighbors sometimes, eh?

Happy Thanksgiving

Stan



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4x4dually

11-20-2007 14:01:57




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 Re: 4020 Console Conversion (Dash to Console) in reply to 4x4dually, 11-20-2007 10:44:08  
Cool. Thanks for the great ideas. I'm good at fabin' up junk. As long as it can be done with a chop saw, torch, mig or stick welder, I'm good to go. Thanks guys. I'll look into relocating the factory cable. That sounds pretty easy. I'm missing the adjustable stop anyways and it moves from time to time so it would be nice to have a new setup anyhow.



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Santa Claus

11-20-2007 13:02:39




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 Re: 4020 Console Conversion (Dash to Console) in reply to 4x4dually, 11-20-2007 10:44:08  
I added a side lever to control the 3 point on my 3010 for use with a back blade. The dash lever and cable are still intact and the side lever mounts to the workstation floor plate and has a mechanical linkage back to the control valve under the RH cover. Works from the dash or side lever. It is a fairly simple fabrication.



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Mike M

11-20-2007 11:27:14




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 Re: 4020 Console Conversion (Dash to Console) in reply to 4x4dually, 11-20-2007 10:44:08  
I saw a 2010 where the cable froze up and instead of buying one just hooked a lever onto the rockshaft control. This could work on the 4020 ? as the cable ends up on the rockshaft housing under the RH side of your seat. How good are you at custom fabing ? Heck you could even mount any cable lever on the RH side fender and run the cable back down to the regular location. Dang it I just gave away a real good idea for a patented conversion !

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Gerald J.

11-20-2007 12:28:05




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 Re: 4020 Console Conversion (Dash to Console) in reply to Mike M, 11-20-2007 11:27:14  
You can't claim that idea, I posted it three minutes before you did ;<)

Gerald J.



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Gerald J.

11-20-2007 11:24:43




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 Re: 4020 Console Conversion (Dash to Console) in reply to 4x4dually, 11-20-2007 10:44:08  
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A complete console conversion would be lots of trouble, but if you need only the three point handy, take off the seat base shroud on the right side, and you will see the end of the sturdy bourdon cable that comes from the dash to run the three point valve. You could make up a new lever on the fender to drive that bourdon cable (that comes out if you lift up the floor and open up the dash) or to drive that valve through links. The valve depends on the limits of the bourdon cable and the dash lever to set its limits of motion and operation gets all messed up if you get out of those limits. I might just remove the cable and the dash mounted lever and bolt it to the right fender with the cable in a gentle S-curve so I could still shove and pull it. Might be handy to slip the core out and grease it too when its bent more than the original installation.

I learned how the dash 3 point works a couple years ago when I had to replace the cable that rusted fast over the winter.

For hydraulic ports on the right side, I'd tap the pressure line just in front of the brake pedals, (which goes to the three point), feed that to a closed center valve with as many sections as I wanted mounted upside down under a shelf on the inside of the right fender (with levers reversed) and feed as many hydraulic sockets as I needed with the return to the transmission oil filter cover as is the standard way for feeding loaders with their own valve. I feed my loader and my back through separate flow limiting valves to make them easier to handle with maybe 5 GPM (as the original SCVs are limited) than with 22 GPM. Maybe I need to do that to my 4020 because it has only one SCV and my planter now needs two remotes and the MF-135 didn't hold a full load of liquid fertilizer on the three point while pulling the planter last spring. On the other hand, the MF-135 will drive a straight line by holding the steering wheel still, the 4020 won't do that.

Gerald J.

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