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4020 Diesel hydraulic problem

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JDDC

11-04-2006 08:23:53




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I've got a 4020 diesel I'm working on. The owner wanted the main hydraulic pump replaced. A rebuilt pump was bought and installed. Also put in a new hydraulic oil filter, new oil, and cleaned the transmission oil screen. I borrowed a flow meter. According to my I&T manual, it should have 22 PM and 2,000 PSI @ 1900 RPM. All I can get out of it is 14 GPM and 2,000 PSI @ 1900 RPM. I took the hydraulic filter back out, started the tractor, and watched the oil flow from the pump. The I&T said it should have generous flow, which I would say it had. Does anyone have any suggestions or ideas for me to do? Thanks in advance.

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buickanddeere

11-04-2006 20:05:00




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 Re: 4020 Diesel hydraulic problem in reply to JDDC, 11-04-2006 08:23:53  
Which pump? There were four, the 50 was the largest. They required a couple of regular or one very large reservoir tank. The trans charge pump can not keep up with the three largest pumps under continuous duty.



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jdemaris

11-04-2006 16:11:56




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 Re: 4020 Diesel hydraulic problem in reply to JDDC, 11-04-2006 08:23:53  
My first question is - how come you're flow-rating it? Was there a problem in the way the tractor worked, e.g. slow loader, excessively hot lines, etc.? And, have you flow rated the oil going TO the main pump? There must be adequate oil supply coming from the trans. pump or the main pump will not meet GPM specs. Those specs. vary depending if Synchrorange or Powershift. "Rebuilt" pumps sometimes do not make full output anyway - but not usually that low. If it was a worn pump, with worn piston bores, and it bascially got tightened up and resealed - it may work fine but have lower than rated output. 14 GPM at 2000 PSI is enough oil to make that tractor work fine - unless you've got a loader or are using remote fuctions on it. But - that's what you're getting at 1900 RPM - I wonder what it's pumping at lower speeds? If you find it is UP to specs at lower RPMs, but down at higher- it again points to a flow problem from the trans. pump.

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JDDC

11-04-2006 18:27:40




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 Re: 4020 Diesel hydraulic problem in reply to jdemaris, 11-04-2006 16:11:56  
This 4020 is used on a turkey farm. Most likely it is used to run a decaker. Probably some remote functions sometimes. It is synchrorange. The guy just brought it to me and said he wanted the main pump replaced. I was just getting ready to to check the flow to the main pump before I had to quit this afternoon. Will get back to it monday. Also, I have the adjustment screw on the scv turned to the rabbit side.

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low budget

11-05-2006 03:44:15




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 Re: 4020 Diesel hydraulic problem in reply to JDDC, 11-04-2006 18:27:40  
If your checking at the remote thats all your gonna get. Even at the "rabbit" setting its limited to 12 gpm.



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low budget

11-04-2006 15:21:47




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 Re: 4020 Diesel hydraulic problem in reply to JDDC, 11-04-2006 08:23:53  
Is it possible the replacement pump is the smaller 2.4 c.i. pump and not the 3.0 c.i. pump? They look the same on the outside, There is also a smaller 1.4 c.i. pump used on utility tractors but it looks different.



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Gerald J.

11-04-2006 09:08:21




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 Re: 4020 Diesel hydraulic problem in reply to JDDC, 11-04-2006 08:23:53  
Where did you check the flow? There is a priority flow valve that keeps some of the flow for steering and brakes. And the SCV have flow limits built in. Pre side console that was as low as 5 gpm when set to JD specifications. Post side console the flow rate is selectable on the valve, but won't over ride the priority valve.

There is quite a bit of difference in the hydraulic systems with the change at the side console addition.

Gerald J.

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Bob

11-04-2006 09:31:26




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 Re: 4020 Diesel hydraulic problem in reply to Gerald J., 11-04-2006 09:08:21  
Gerald,

You are thinking of an "open-center" system, with a FLOW DIVIDER that continuously bleeds of a flow of a few GPM's for the steering circuit.


As this is a closed-center system, there is NO flow to the steering and brakes, unless they are being used, so the "priority valve" is NOT diverting any oil while the flow test is being done. (ASSUMING the steering and brakes are not being used at that time.)

The priority valve only "steps in" at low engine speeds, or extremely high hydraulic demands WHILE the steering or brakes are BEING USED, ensuring their oil flow needs are met BEFORE allowing ANY flow the the less critical hydraulic functions.

There is an adjustment screw on the SCV that is analogous to the "rabbit-turtle control" on the newer tractors that sets to flow to the couplers. Have you checked the setting on that???

Also, a "high pressure leak to sump" will leak off output flow from the main pump, causing lower-than-expected output, and excessive heating of the oil. This could be in the steering, brakes, SCV, or 3-point (if used) systems. Generally, the component in the high pressure system with the "leak to sump" will begin to heat up more quickly than components that are functioning properly.

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