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chaney creek

04-28-2003 17:53:18




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I have seen a couple of rotobalers on the implements site. When were they in production and how big of a bale do they make? What hp tractor and hookup is needed to operate. Are they worth fooling with?




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RayP(MI)

04-29-2003 09:19:01




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 Re: Allis roto balers in reply to chaney creek, 04-28-2003 17:53:18  
Whan I was a kid, I saw some pretty small tractors running those balers - 15hp, maybe.
The one advantage of the bales is that they shed the weather very well. Lots of farmers had to gather the first cutting so they could start cutting for the second! What the fellow says below about transportation, storage below is pretty much the case. More than one barn had the end rolled right out by round bales!

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RayP(MI)

04-29-2003 09:17:02




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 Re: Allis roto balers in reply to chaney creek, 04-28-2003 17:53:18  
Whan I was a kid, I saw some pretty small tractors running those balers - 15hp, maybe.
The one advantage of the bales is that they shed the weather very well. Lots of farmers had to gather the first cutting so they could start cutting for the second! What the fellow says below about transportation, storage below is pretty much the case. More than one barn had the end rolled right out by round bales!

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RayP(MI)

04-29-2003 09:16:12




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 Re: Allis roto balers in reply to chaney creek, 04-28-2003 17:53:18  
Whan I was a kid, I saw some pretty small tractors running those balers - 15hp, maybe.
the one advantage of the bales is that they shed the weather very well. Lots of farmers had to gather the first cutting so they could start cutting for the second! What the fellow says below about transportation, storage below is pretty much the case. More than one barn had the end rolled right out by round bales!

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John Ne.

04-29-2003 10:10:44




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 Re: Re: Allis roto balers in reply to RayP(MI), 04-29-2003 09:16:12  
Here in Nebr. alfalfa can give us three cuttings, so we always picked them up, nice thing was if the twine rotted, they didn't disintegrate like square bales. We used hay hooks on the end, if the end was loose they weren't wrapped tight enough, lot of times we used a hook in each hand. Was real easy to get ice cream cone shaped bales though. Never heard of a barn bulging out, ever. We stacked them in the field, never had a stack fall over, it was all in the spacing of the first two tiers. And I know we had some stacks in excess of 3,000 bales. We always hauled hay with Lo-Boys, which had walls on front and rear ends, so they didn't roll off. The Allis Chalmers literature also claimed they were easier on the animals rumen/digestion because there was only one cut end on the hay stem, unlike square bales that were cut with every stroke of the knife. They were slow though, with all that stopping. John in Ne.

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Dan in Ore

04-29-2003 07:16:18




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 Re: Allis roto balers in reply to chaney creek, 04-28-2003 17:53:18  
Jerry is right, you have to stop each time a bale ties. That is why live PTO is important. The windrow needs to be about the width of the pick-up or you will end up with a bale that is smaller on one end or both or in the middle.

My uncle had one in the mid 50's and early 60's. When he died in 63, we moved to the ranch and got to use this "fine" machine. The baling was only part of the fun.

You can't get a hay hook into the ends, because the ends are loose. They are nearly impossible to haul and difficult at best to stack unless you have a barn and then they will push the ends out of the barn. In order to haul them you had to have bulkheads on each end of the truck then they would wedge in and you had to try to pry them loose. They wouldn't ride up a bale loader or an elevator. Once you got a stack started the bales often times would roll out as you went up with the stack meaning that you had to start all over again and clean out your shorts if you were on the stack when it rolled. It was unnerving to walk on the stack, because nothing was flat and you were forever turning an ankle. The worst fall that I ever took was from hauling round bales. I wasn't able to do anything with my hands for 2 weeks (I messed my wrists up pretty bad when I landed) and have had arthritis in my wrists since I was in my early 20's. That is the legacy that the Allis Chalmers Roto-Baler left me.

If you buy one, I wish you lots of luck.

Just my 2 bucks worth.
(this was too long winded for 2 cents worth)

Dan

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JMS/MN

04-29-2003 21:34:25




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 Re: Re: Allis roto balers in reply to Dan in Ore, 04-29-2003 07:16:18  
The only thing I agree with in this post is the necessity of stopping to tie each bale- but live power is not essential. Dad ran this baler for eight years with a WC before he bought the WD45. Make a proper windrow and you get a decent bale. Easy to handle with two bale hooks, and no, they don't blow the walls out on the barn. Typical bales are about 18 inches in diameter, weigh about 40-50 pounds. Properly made windrow gives you a bale that will ride up an elevator. Are they harder to handle than a square bale? Yes, but they also provide much better protection from the weather, and are easier for the cows to chew, because they don't have cut slices like the square balers make.

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JMS/MN

04-29-2003 21:34:11




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 Re: Re: Allis roto balers in reply to Dan in Ore, 04-29-2003 07:16:18  
The only thing I agree with in this post is the necessity of stopping to tie each bale- but live power is not essential. Dad ran this baler for eight years with a WC before he bought the WD45. Make a proper windrow and you get a decent bale. Easy to handle with two bale hooks, and no, they don't blow the walls out on the barn. Typical bales are about 18 inches in diameter, weigh about 40-50 pounds. Properly made windrow gives you a bale that will ride up an elevator. Are they harder to handle than a square bale? Yes, but they also provide much better protection from the weather, and are easier for the cows to chew, because they don't have cut slices like the square balers make.

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Jerry A.

04-29-2003 05:30:13




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 Re: Allis roto balers in reply to chaney creek, 04-28-2003 17:53:18  
My uncle used to run one for many years. Put up a zillion little round bales. The biggest draw back to running one is that you have to stop each time the baler kicks out a bale. That's a lot of stops and starts!!!

The bales being a little smaller than an "average" square bale, I liked handling them better. Very easy to throw around with just a hay hook...can't do that very easy with a square bale.

AC built a lot of those balers. A book I have states there were in excess of 80,000 of those balers made. You still see them sitting under trees out in pastures, just rusting away.

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Delbert

04-28-2003 18:33:28




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 Re: Allis roto balers in reply to chaney creek, 04-28-2003 17:53:18  
First off are the belts good? If the belts aren't in good shape it's not worth much unless you what to put new belts on and they are 300$-350$ for set. H P a good tractor for them is a wd or wd45 in that power range. Have run mine with h farmall. Live pto is real nice with them. Bale size 18 to 20 inch bales weight 40#,s . A swather to cut hay is nice make windrows about the wideth of pickup chain. If hay is dry and raked right they aren't to bad to run . Keep twine knife sharpe. Bales kinda hard on barn they have a way pushing the side out. Best way to store round bales is where they fall. If it is praire grass. Thats how they would do it in eastern Kansas. Pick them up in winter as they needed them. To sum it all up if you oil everything that moves or you think might move they aren't to big a pain somedays. Hope i didn't bore you to sleep. Happy baling chaney creek.

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Delbert

04-28-2003 18:31:39




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 Re: Allis roto balers in reply to chaney creek, 04-28-2003 17:53:18  
First off are the belts good? If the belts aren't in good shape it's not worth much unless you what to put new belts on and they are 300$-350$ for set. H P a good tractor for them is a wd or wd45 in that power range. Have run mine with h farmall. Live pto is real nice with them. Bale size 18 to 20 inch bales weight 40#,s . A swather to cut hay is nice make windrows about the wideth of pickup chain. If hay is dry and raked right they aren't to bad to run . Keep twine knife sharpe. Bales kinda hard on barn they have a way pushing the side out. Best way to store round bales is where they fall. If it is praire grass. Thats how they would do it in eastern Kansas. Pick them up in winter as they needed them. To sum it all up if you oil everything that moves or you think might move they aren't to big a pain somedays. Hope i didn't bore you to sleep. Happy baling chaney creek.

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