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Age of Ferguson hay rake

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Jim.Ut

07-30-2002 15:58:31




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I'm resurrecting an old Ferguson 3pt hay rake. I'm thinking that this must have been made between 1949 and 1950-something (whenever Ferguson merged with Massey). Does anyone have the history on Ferguson implements.....what years they were produced, etc? This one is basically sound and painted all gray. Thanks for any insight.

P.S. I'd appreciate any leads on manuals (operators, parts, service, etc) for this thing.

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combine boy

07-30-2002 21:07:07




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 Re: Age of Ferguson hay rake in reply to Jim.Ut, 07-30-2002 15:58:31  
dad had one but it shuck it self to piecse in light hay. it was first made in 1961 and was massys firts gray 3 pt rake so i was told.

combine boy



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Tim(nj)

07-30-2002 17:55:49




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 Re: Age of Ferguson hay rake in reply to Jim.Ut, 07-30-2002 15:58:31  
Do you happen to have the number off the ID tag? The late Ferguson rake is the same as the MF 25, which was made for decades. Don't know about the earlier version. Got a book somewhere here that gives the ID numbers for them . . . .



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Jim.UT

07-30-2002 19:53:41




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 Re: Re: Age of Ferguson hay rake in reply to Tim(nj), 07-30-2002 17:55:49  
I was at work when I posted my original question. Now I'm home. Been working on the rake (needs new drive shaft). Lots of rusted bolts.

Anyway, the tag says Model DEO-25 and Serial 002136. It says "Ferguson" in big letters, fancy script; and it's painted Ferguson gray. But in small letters at the bottom of the tag it says "Massey-Harris-Ferguson Limited, Toronto Canada". It also has the word "YOUNGSTOWN" stamped in the top frame bar in big letters. I guess this was built after the merger but before the Harris name got dropped from the middle.

I also have a MHF 36 ground drive rake that's painted red with yellow wheels. I'll be selling that one if the DEO-25 works out the way I want it to.

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Tom A

07-31-2002 03:58:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Age of Ferguson hay rake in reply to Jim.UT, 07-30-2002 19:53:41  
Tim:

I've got both a DEO 25 (I'm at work, so I don't know the serial number) and a DEO 20 (virtually the same, but 7' width). I've got reprints of manuals at home *somewhere* along with some notes about production history. Many parts to make it work are available from MF, although they are not identical to original parts so if you're looking for historical accuracy you'll have to find old rakes for parts.

I still use my DEO 20 for hay, as the size matches my sicklebar mower better than the 25 does. You're right, they were built/invented by Ferguson in the 40s, but continued on under different model numbers for many years after the merger. If I can dig up my notes, I'll send you details of what I have.

good luck,
Tom

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Tim(nj)

07-30-2002 20:07:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Age of Ferguson hay rake in reply to Jim.UT, 07-30-2002 19:53:41  
Your DEO-25 Ferguson is the same rake as the MF 25, if memory serves me. Youngstown? The mill where the steel came from? I have a Zimmerman elevator where some steel angle says BETHLEHEM. I have a Glencoe field cultivator where one of the frame pieces has USS on it.



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Jim.UT

07-30-2002 20:20:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Age of Ferguson hay rake in reply to Tim(nj), 07-30-2002 20:07:36  
OK, that makes sense. I was told at one time that the MF25 was the same basic rake as the MF36 that I have....difference of pto drive or ground drive. Same parts as far as the basket, bars, basket wheels (on the ends) and tines. I know where there's a MF 25 carcass collecting morning glory. Guess I'll go see what's left of it.



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jim

07-31-2002 05:56:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Age of Ferguson hay rake in reply to Jim.UT, 07-30-2002 20:20:42  
We had a Fergie 3pt. rake which was purchased in 1954. A good rake , very handy with the 3pt. But in its later years , the teeth broke easily right betweeen the attaching bolt and just before the coil. Teeth got hard to get and relatively expensive so I traded it on a 256 NH pull type.
Wish I had that rake back to-day, the NH was a real headache. Sounds as if yours is from 1955-57 when their tractors and equipment was badged as Massey-Harris-Ferguson.

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Tom A

07-31-2002 08:13:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Age of Ferguson hay rake in reply to jim, 07-31-2002 05:56:09  
Mine was bending & breaking teeth too, mostly all on one bar. Discovered the problem is a worn bushing where the bar attaches to the wheel, giving just enough play for the teeth ends to snag on the bar below.

I'm slowly getting mine back into really good shape, and like it more and more as I work with it.



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Jim.UT

07-31-2002 09:46:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Age of Ferguson hay rake in reply to Tom A, 07-31-2002 08:13:14  
I'll have to pay attention to the bar bushings. As far as teeth, this uses the same teeth as the MF36 rake that I have. I replaced several teeth when I bought the rake and I don't remember them being tough to find or particularly expensive. Of course all the new teeth I put on the 36 are now going on the 25.

Tom, thanks for checking into the info. I'll be looking forward to reading anything you can dig up.

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