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ALTERNATE WAYS OF MOWING HAY

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Ken McWilliams

07-18-2001 09:16:47




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ALTERNATE WAYS OF MOWING HAY

I'm curious if you have had any success mowing hay with something other than a sickle mower, mower/crimper, or one of those new disc mowers/crimpers.

When I bought my bush hog several years ago, I remember an option available for cutting hay where the side is removable to allow a discharge. Do these work for hay?

Also, has someone had any success with a flail mower.

I just put up some hay and used a conventional sickle mower earlier this week. It usually takes 3 days on the ground with 2 days of tedding. I've noticed that other people making hay in the area using the mower/crimpers can usually bale 1 - 2 days sooner than I can.

Also, I'm cutting an orchard grass/alfalfa mix. The sickle blade tends to push over the orchard grass which is very soft and is difficult to cut it short enough. After raking and baling, there are these patches all over the field 2-3" taller that starts to pop back up in a few days. I have the blade as tight in the bar as practical to keep the moving and stationary edges close together. I have to travel fast though these cuttings because going too slow allows the plants to fall forward and clogged the blade, particularly when mowing west to east. The plants normally lean from west to east due to the prevailing wind direction.

I can't justify the expensive equipment only on 500-600 bales per year.

I was trimming around the hay field with a flail mower. I went back several hours later and the next day to look at this swath along the field's edge. It was drying much faster that what it would have with a sickle mower, the the type of flail mower that I'm using didn't seem to damage it much.

I know the flail mower would cut it into smaller pieces and make it more difficult to pick up with the baler's tines, but I have this problem already on 2nd and 3rd cuttings with the grass being so short anyway.

I have to heavily rely upon my tedder to get the hay to dry in 3 days. Also, having a day job doesn't help. Tedding in the evening causes too much loss of leaves from the alfalfa. Also, tedding (fluffing) is not as helpful in the evening, because the dew will cause the hay to flatten and not allow much air circulation the next day.

I'm curious if anyone has had any success to shorten the dry time without using a mower/crimper or lots of tedding.

Ken McWilliams
Dayton, OH

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ksmith

07-19-2001 21:54:26




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 Re: ALTERNATE WAYS OF MOWING HAY in reply to Ken McWilliams, 07-18-2001 09:16:47  
I'm using a 12 foot swather (Windrower) with a conditioner to do my hay. Makes a beautiful windrow and the hay is all laid down nicely adjacent to the direction of the windrow ... apparently guys who round bale like this ... I don't know as I'm square baling. The swather cost me 650.00 at an auction and a side delivery rake went for 550.00. I figured the extra money was well spent. So far so good. You can cut like stink and manouver on a dime with the swather. I put down 17 acres of heavy red clover/ vetch in about 2 hours. Will be baling tomorrow ... hope all goes well.

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Steve

07-19-2001 16:31:09




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 Re: ALTERNATE WAYS OF MOWING HAY in reply to Ken McWilliams, 07-18-2001 09:16:47  
I agree, We have used a sickle bar for several years,,,I just bought a Kuhn 7 footer that works very well....I also have a Massey 37 ( I think) ....you can get into a discussion about pitman versus the belt drives but, if you keep sections sharp ,it would be hard to beat a sickle for a small operation...



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Duner Wi

07-19-2001 06:01:23




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 Re: ALTERNATE WAYS OF MOWING HAY in reply to Ken McWilliams, 07-18-2001 09:16:47  
A Mathews Company rotary scythe might be a good fit for you. They are very simple in the mechanicals. One chain drives the cutter .
They do require about 40 hp for a 6 or 7 ft. cut and you can't go real fast either.
Have been around for years and sell for $50.00 and up. Check the small sprocket on the drive chain for tight fit to shaft. Usually they are loose but can be fixed easy enough.

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Justin

07-18-2001 21:36:14




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 Re: ALTERNATE WAYS OF MOWING HAY in reply to Ken McWilliams, 07-18-2001 09:16:47  
I know a guy that put serrated sickle sections and gaurds off of a John Deere windrower on to his John Deere sickle mower (I think that it is a #37, I could be wrong) and he has verry few problems with missed spots and the mower cuts as good as any windrower that i have seen. After he cuts his hay usualy by the next day he can rake it into windrows and bale the folowing day unless the humidity is real high then it takes a litle longer. It look to me like to me like it is the best way to go unless you buy an expensive mower conditioner which is probably not needed.

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Johnny in E. Texas

07-18-2001 20:48:17




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 Re: ALTERNATE WAYS OF MOWING HAY in reply to Ken McWilliams, 07-18-2001 09:16:47  
In my opinion a sickle produces the best cut in a clean field for the lowest dollar. I have used one for coastal bermuda since 1987. I cut about 60 acres and get an extremely clean cut and drying time is minimal. Last week I cut a 24 acre meadow at noon on thursday and baled it at 5:00 p.m. on friday. It was actually starting to burn just a tad. Temp was about 92 degrees and little humidity. You also don't need a lot of horsepower or a cab tractor as with some of the disc mowers throw everything at the operator. I believe the sickle mower has got a bad name because most folks don't know how to set it up or keep it sharp or keep it from plugging. I worked for a custom baler for three years and we ran John Deere 350 sickles and had very little problems, mostly minor maintenance and a new cutter now and then. It doesn't do very well in grass that is laying down or very overgrown. I bought a new New Idea last season for about $3000, you can't even touch a disc mower at twice that cost. I can also get a 9 foot with each pass as opposed to a Bush Hog that would get 6 foot or so.For my small operation a sickle mower is the way to go. I wouldn't know how a sickle would work in alfalfa or other grasses, but I know it works great for Bermuda, Bahia, even Johnston Grass. Johnny

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jeff flaharty

07-18-2001 16:37:18




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 Re: ALTERNATE WAYS OF MOWING HAY in reply to Ken McWilliams, 07-18-2001 09:16:47  
I have been mowing with a bush hog this year and I will be looking for a sickle bar next spring. The bush hog needs to be raised up in the back to allow quick discharge of the hay and this results in the hay not being cut as short as I would like. You also lose yield due to the tires pushing the hay down in front of the mower. It is faster and it helps condition the hay quickly but I am pretty convinced that I need a different mower. It will work but you may not get what you are hoping for.

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hay

07-18-2001 16:28:03




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 Re: ALTERNATE WAYS OF MOWING HAY in reply to Ken McWilliams, 07-18-2001 09:16:47  
i cut my hay(bahia and coastal bermuda grass) with a 5 ft. bush hog. it does cut the hay a bit smaller than a disc cutter. i do not know how it would do on alfalfa, although i would think it would tend to knock off a lot of the leaf.i hear you about the sickle mowers as i used to use one and had a lot of plugging and missed spots. in this hot climate of east texas i can cut the hay one day and wait one day and rake and roll on the third day with no problems.

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Jerry D in NC

07-18-2001 12:13:29




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 Re: ALTERNATE WAYS OF MOWING HAY in reply to Ken McWilliams, 07-18-2001 09:16:47  
A couple of things:

Yes Bush Hogs can be used to cut hay but will cost you some hay in loss that is cut too small for the rake or baler to gather properly. Flail Mower will only be worse and I have never heard of anyone using one for hay. Would seem to me that the flail mower would chew the leaves off of the alfalfa. I understand the need to try to get the hay up a day earlier but the sickle bar mower is the best alternative that you have indicated is available to you. As for the tedding I do mine (got a day job too) about 5:30 - 6:00 am and the seems to knock the dew off the hay and leaves it fluffed up and ready to start drying for the day as soon as the sun comes up. Those mowers are nice but do cost a bunch of money to save a day of drying. BTW I frequently rake the hay at that time of day to preserve the leaf on the alfalfa and let the windrow dry until after lunch.

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eldon

07-19-2001 09:15:29




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 Re: Re: ALTERNATE WAYS OF MOWING HAY in reply to Jerry D in NC, 07-18-2001 12:13:29  
Usually when I have excessive skips or plugs I find I have worn ledger plates in the guards. Serrated sections also help. If the bar head plugs you can purchase a graduated end section with threee small short points at any implement dealer.. This should be a relatively inexpensive and simple fix to most skip and plugging problems.
I have a balanced IH mower and an old number five John Deere.

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Warren

07-18-2001 13:49:22




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 Re: Re: ALTERNATE WAYS OF MOWING HAY in reply to Jerry D in NC, 07-18-2001 12:13:29  
Hey Ken,

For what it's worth, we use a 479 NH Haybine that has a crimper, it was made in early 70's. My neighbor picked up one last year at a consignment auction for $400. Maybe that is too much to justify, but he bales about the same number and says it was worth every dime.

Something you might consider for less money is a conditioner, I've seen them sell for $50 to $60 around here (Minnesota). My brother in law has an old (really old) Hesston that we can borrow for the labor of transport.

He claims it consistantly takes two days off his drying.

Good Luck,

Warren

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Wayne

07-18-2001 17:21:04




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 Re: Re: Re: ALTERNATE WAYS OF MOWING HAY in reply to Warren, 07-18-2001 13:49:22  
This is the only way to go. I have seen Haybines sell in that price range and conditioners sell for $10.00



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Tim(nj)

07-18-2001 19:56:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: ALTERNATE WAYS OF MOWING HAY in reply to Wayne, 07-18-2001 17:21:04  
There is also the option of a New Idea Cut/Ditioner, which is a flail machine designed for hay. A 7 foot 272 can usually be had fairly cheap at auction, even around where I am. The Cut/Ditioner does make the hay smaller, but not too small to bale. Howver, it doesn't like rocks much. Cut/Ditioners here found use mostly on the dairy farms salvaging corn stalks for bedding. Now that most of the dairy farms are gone, and the disc machines are getting popular for hay, there isn't a lot of demand for the Cut/Ditioners.

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Nellie

07-20-2001 04:24:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ALTERNATE WAYS OF MOWING HAY in reply to Tim(nj), 07-18-2001 19:56:55  
I agree the NI CutDitioner would be a very good choice. I would say for mixed grass 40 Hp tractor or more works best for these. You have to go slow and they take much more power than a sickel or haybind. They are like pulling a big 'brushhog'. I got around the slow speed by having my wife mow while I was at my real job. She would never run a sickel or haybind.



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