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Tracy H

05-20-2008 17:01:09




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I just bought a 140. The tractor was running when I got it. But when you used it And go to cut it off it wonted to keep running. So I checked the timing it was so erratic that I could not set it. So I pulled the distributor. The distributor was so bad off I replaced it and the drive gear. My shop book saides to set the ignition timing to 22 dreg with s.n. up to 103556 if the s.n. is 103557 and up it should be set at 14 dreg. The s.n. on my block is 100646. I set the timing on 22 dreg and when I use the tractor it runs good. But when you cut it off it wants to keep running it is not running hot it is about 160 to 170 dreg. So I changed it to 17 dreg and it doing the same thing. Do I need to go lower on my timing or do I need to look for something else. Thanks in advance
Tracy

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NawlensGator

05-21-2008 07:07:36




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 Re: 140 ignition timing in reply to Tracy H, 05-20-2008 17:01:09  

140 SN's only went to 64XXX.

The 14 deg is for the distillate engine and 21 for gas (or viceversa, can't remember for sure).



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Hugh MacKay

05-21-2008 08:52:46




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 Re: 140 ignition timing in reply to NawlensGator, 05-21-2008 07:07:36  
Terry: I think he's talking engine serial number, those were at 114723 by jan. 67.



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Hugh MacKay

05-20-2008 18:48:28




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 Re: 140 ignition timing in reply to Tracy H, 05-20-2008 17:01:09  
Tracy: The problem may be completely unrelated to your timing advance.

Does the tractor have an alternator? If so what is the tractor serial number? From your engine serial number I'd say it's very close to the change by IH from 6 volt positive ground to 12 negative ground. I can give you that exactly if you give me the tractor serial number. Just want to establish if an original engine. If it is 12 volt, even factory 12 volt it would have been generator from factory if the engine is original.

If you have an alternator conversion, and it's not wired just right the problem your having can exist.

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Red Mist

05-20-2008 17:31:51




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 Re: 140 ignition timing in reply to Tracy H, 05-20-2008 17:01:09  
Tracy: I re-read your post and I think you are miss-reading your manual, or else it is written incorrectly. The IH Tune-Up Specs manual, GSS1356, states that the INITIAL timing at idle should be 1 degree ATDC, +/- 2 degrees. If it is set there, then the maximum advance will be either 22 degrees or 14 degrees, depending upon serial number. The maximum advance is determined by the slot in the distributor plate, which limits travel of the advance. If you have the original distributor which came new with your tractor, the 22 or 14 degrees will take care of itself if you set the idle timing at 1 degree.

A lot of folks selling distributors on ebay state that theirs fits all letter series farmalls. Well, they do physically fit, but the total advance may be as much as 40 degrees, as an example - from an early H or M. Over time, as the engines in these tractors were tweaked by the factory for more and more power the maximum advance curve was limited more and more by IH. Example: An H, a Super H and a 300 Farmall all have less and less advance built into the distributors, each successive newer model having less than the prior model. There are codes stamped on the flanges of the distributors which, when deciphered, will reveal the total advance of that distributor. See GSS1356 IH manual. mike

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Red Mist

05-20-2008 17:10:47




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 Re: 140 ignition timing in reply to Tracy H, 05-20-2008 17:01:09  
TH: It is possible you have some carbon build-up in your cylinders. When the carbon gets hot, it can glow like a glow-plug in a diesel. May not be bad enough to notice any "rattle" while running, but when you turn the ignition off, it may still be igniting the gas fumes in the cylinders. You can shoot some carbon cleaner in through the carb while engine is running to knock the carbon out - or, you can inject some water through the carb (while engine is running) and it will do the same thing. Might be worth a try....? mike

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