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Power Steering On MD

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GarryinNC

03-28-2008 05:44:20




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We have and MD with a Behlen power steering(motor?). Right now the PS is powered by the original tractor hydraulics and the 3 point lift that my dad built is powered by a belt driven live pump off the front of the engine. This pump came off and old 'Power Grader" motor grader that was built around an MD, and ran all of the grader hydraulics. This setup works OK but the steering unit has blown shaft seals(steering wheel side) on two occasions. Oil did not 'blow out' but leaked by the bearing/bushing pretty heavy.

1- How much pressure and flow do the Behlen and Charlynn systems require.

2- Would the pressure/flow from the Farmall hyd. system be too much for these?

3- We were thinking of putting a flow divider on the live pump and powering both systems. I don't know the output of the belt driven pump but I am guessing 10-12 gpm. We do have access to an old IH dealer hyd. test set to measure pressure and flow.

4- Are the PS pumps that went between the distributor and dist. drive still around or unobtainable? We have that type of PS on our old gas M and it has not needed anything in about 35 years. Anyone know what brand/model those pumps were.

5- Also considering putting a small automotive type pump on for PS and returning the 3-point to tractor hydraulics.

Comments welcome,thanks,Garry

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gots-2-go

03-28-2008 11:34:40




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 Re: Power Steering On MD in reply to GarryinNC, 03-28-2008 05:44:20  
#1. The Belhen manual states about 1000psi should be used to feed the power steering unit.

#2. Sometimes, it depends on the condition of your pump as to the amount of psi and gpm it is putting out.

#3. A flow divider will work, but check the output of your pump and try to keep the pressure going to the power steering around 1000psi.

#4. Belhen made a live pump that was mounted between the mag/dist and the drive. It is a #201. It has a set pressure rating of 1000psi, and a flow rate of 3.25 gpm. They appeaqr on ebay every now and then, they usually sell anywhere from 175 up to 400. If I remember right the MD model rotates clockwise and the gas M model rotates counterclock wise or vis-versa. If the MD does rotate in the other direction than a gas M you will need a #201 that was removed from a MD model. These pumps will only work right for the rotation they were designed for. If you find one from a John Deere A or B it will work if the MD rotates different than a M gasser. The gas model John Deere A's & B's 's rotate in the other direction than a gas farmall does. A company called Hi-Low can rebuild these pumps if it ever needed to be rebuilt.

Hopefully this picture will show you the difference between the 2 models of the Behlen 201 pumps. The 1/2" port is the supply line to the pump, and the 3/8" port is the pressure line to the steering unit.

#5. Char-Lynn made a pump for the M that mounted on the side of the governor housing. They are decent pumps as well. I don't know if that pump is innerchangeable between the M and MD models.

I have 3 farmall's with the Behlen #201 pump on them, and 1 with the Char-Lynn. Overall I personally like the Behlen pump much better. It is gear driven so there is no chance of the belt sliping, or needing adjustment.

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Buck Hanson

03-28-2008 06:23:59




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 Re: Power Steering On MD in reply to GarryinNC, 03-28-2008 05:44:20  
I put a flow divider in the original Super M hydraulic system to run the Charlynn Power Steering. It works fine as long as I use hydraulic oil not motor oil. Some people used motor oil in the M hydraulic systems and it is too thick for the steering motor.



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