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Use of fuel additives in old tractors

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Gale Roberts

03-27-2008 12:10:38




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Is it necessary to use fuel additives to take the place of the lead in the unleaded gas we get now days? I have been told the old tractors designed before unleaded gas was used will have a problem with the valves recessing into the head or block depending on if they are overhead valve type or valve in block type unless harder valve seats are installed or lead additives used. If additives are required what do you recommend that I use. Advice on this will be appreciated.....Gale

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160dan

03-27-2008 17:49:30




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 Re: Use of fuel additives in old tractors in reply to Gale Roberts, 03-27-2008 12:10:38  
An older guy advised me to give a squirt of diesel to the tank and that lubs the valves enough and seens to work well for me



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Jim in Ma.

03-27-2008 16:53:47




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 Re: Use of fuel additives in old tractors in reply to Gale Roberts, 03-27-2008 12:10:38  
For my cubs during cultivating season- we run them at a low RPM. Sometimes they run all day like that so I add a little marvel mystery oil to the gas = It seems to keep them running better.



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Hugh MacKay

03-27-2008 16:36:59




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 Re: Use of fuel additives in old tractors in reply to Gale Roberts, 03-27-2008 12:10:38  
Gale: Society are addicted to automotive additives, all you need do is stand at the entrance of most automotive stores and look at the massive shelves full of additives, 80% of it absolutely useless. Folks are just scrambling to relieve themselves of their money on these products.

Lead additive may have some benefit for high performance, high RPM engines. Your 30+ year old tractor is neither, and as such it will make your pocket book lighter. That is the only guarentee.

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RN

03-27-2008 14:22:37




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 Re: Use of fuel additives in old tractors in reply to Gale Roberts, 03-27-2008 12:10:38  
Wallaces farmer and Hoards Dairyman had some articles when first worried about unleaded: Ford N flatheads- no problem exhaust valve seats were stellite or similar to start. JD twins running under 1300 rpm and 160 thermostats- no observed problems at the governed speed. Molines at 1000/1200 rpm- minimal to no wear, like JDs the exhaust valve sat long enough on seat to transfer heat. Case, AC, IHC running 1600/2000 rpm- these had some measurable wear under load, adjust valve yearly in spring and keep working, watch it. IHC had a suggested 1 cup engine oil to 5 or 10 gallons gas mix that helped some. A 100/1 2stroke oil mix was partially tested on some and seemed to help, test was not long enough to be considered conclusive. testing times were varied, 2 to 3 years field work and some short dyno tests. The 50s to 60s tractor seemed to be most affected- higher speeds and built when leaded gas was standard so the iron seats that worked good- were industry standard - for heat transfer and wear used then. Pre-WW2 classics were usually slow speed and lighter use, often setup at design time to use farm standard unleaded gas and distillate, not considered to be much at risk but the tests didn't check out many of them- a few F20s, JD A,Bs, the 9N Fords. IHC oil in gas recommendation and/or 2 stroke oil plus a can of seafoam for storage and work them a bit, check your valve lash yearly if you have a 'high' speed governor setting and a 200 degree thermostat. RN

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Bob

03-27-2008 14:09:30




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 Re: Use of fuel additives in old tractors in reply to Gale Roberts, 03-27-2008 12:10:38  
MMO is "stoddard's solvent" with "oil of wintergreen" added for "flavor".

You you think an old tractor REALLY responds to the flavor/aroma of oil of wintergreen?



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Gale Roberts

03-27-2008 13:21:46




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 Re: Use of fuel additives in old tractors in reply to Gale Roberts, 03-27-2008 12:10:38  
There are a three of additives that I have heard good reports on They are Seafoam and Marvel mystery oil for freeing sticky rings and valves and Sta-bil for keeping gasoline fresher. Has anyone heard any bad reports on these product?.....Gale



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Allan In NE

03-27-2008 13:11:13




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 Re: Use of fuel additives in old tractors in reply to Gale Roberts, 03-27-2008 12:10:38  
No,

Unless of course you have a burning desire to throw money at those snake-oil venders.

Allan



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Don L C

03-27-2008 13:10:18




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 Re: Use of fuel additives in old tractors in reply to Gale Roberts, 03-27-2008 12:10:38  
DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY..... ...



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rust collector

03-27-2008 13:07:02




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 Re: Use of fuel additives in old tractors in reply to Gale Roberts, 03-27-2008 12:10:38  
Better to use a fuel stabilizer than worry about lead additives. Today's gasoline goes stale much faster and will varnish the carburator if let set. Turn the fuel off and run the carb. dry before shutting down helps. Varnish also deposits in the tank and lines. While I would use a lead additive if I were pulling the tractor at 90+% load for days or weeks at a time, most do not use the older tractors as hard or long enough to justify the need. The lead was a lubricant for the valves and perhaps kept them cooler in heavy load conditions.

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Bob M

03-27-2008 13:03:49




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 Re: Use of fuel additives in old tractors in reply to Gale Roberts, 03-27-2008 12:10:38  
Gale - Back in the days of leaded gas the lead additive provided modest degree of lubrication to exhaust valves. It thus slowed valve seat wear a bit.

However I've never seen any evidence that running unleaded gas harms the old stuff. (Lots of anecdotal stories but never any hard evidence).

Further, my father in law continued farming 600 acres with his 5 gas tractors a dozen years or so after leaded gas was banned. Never had a valve problem with any of 'em. In fact all still are in "ready to work" condition - if one could afford to run 'em at today's prices for gasoline that is...

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My position: Don't bother with additives - they benefit only the people that make and sell the stuff. But if you feel you MUST spend the $$$ on gas additives, instead take that money and stick it in the bank. Then use it to pay for a valve job if/when one is actually ever needed.

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Steven f/AZ

03-27-2008 12:49:44




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 Re: Use of fuel additives in old tractors in reply to Gale Roberts, 03-27-2008 12:10:38  
No, you don't need any additives.



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old

03-27-2008 12:42:10




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 Re: Use of fuel additives in old tractors in reply to Gale Roberts, 03-27-2008 12:10:38  
Only thing those are good for its to waste your $$. Shoot it doesn't even have lead in it and is just another form of a snake oil. So simple answer is no you don't need it and it will not help any thing



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ScottyHOMEy

03-27-2008 12:28:26




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 Re: Use of fuel additives in old tractors in reply to Gale Roberts, 03-27-2008 12:10:38  
Others will differ with me on this.

I don't run any additives. What was called regular gas when the letter series tractors were built (and for some time after) was a hotter, higher octane product than today's high test. So, on that score, the potential for damage to the valves or seats is much less.

Going at it another way, the switch to unleaded did not make the valve issue go away. All that happened was that they took away the lead for environmental reasons, but had to replace it with other compounds to serve the same purpose.

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