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Mike CA

03-16-2008 08:58:01




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"critical", or course, being in the eye of the beholder. :lol:
On a farmall H, on the top of the hydraulic control rod holder, there is a "spring" across the gap. I'm missing that whole assembly. There is one at the salvage yard, but I can't see how it comes off.

Anyone know?




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Mike CA

03-16-2008 19:31:47




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 Re: Here is a critical question... in reply to Mike CA, 03-16-2008 08:58:01  

GA Dave said: It's not critical if it doesn't run. David.


Yes, I know this. To you and Gordo:

Next step is getting my radiator put back on. I get that tomorrow night. I'll be working on a few nicknacks as well, all for a push next weekend. We'll see how that goes.

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skk-bg red fan

03-16-2008 18:31:33




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 Re: Here is a critical question... in reply to Mike CA, 03-16-2008 08:58:01  
The reason its missing is that most farmers pulled them off as they found them annoying.



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Don L C

03-16-2008 12:19:07




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 Re: Here is a critical question... in reply to Mike CA, 03-16-2008 08:58:01  
If you want it for show OK..... but it will work just fine as is..... ..Don



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GordoSD

03-16-2008 10:16:49




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 Re: Here is a critical question... in reply to Mike CA, 03-16-2008 08:58:01  
The critical question is, Is it running? Did you get the generator and vr installed and working?

Gordo



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GordoSD

03-16-2008 10:16:31




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 Re: Here is a critical question... in reply to Mike CA, 03-16-2008 08:58:01  
The critical question is, Is it running? Did you get the generator and vr installed and working?

Gordo



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GA Dave

03-16-2008 19:20:27




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 Re: Here is a critical question... in reply to GordoSD, 03-16-2008 10:16:31  
It's not critical if it doesn't run. David.



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Mike CA

03-16-2008 09:46:00




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 Re: Here is a critical question... in reply to Mike CA, 03-16-2008 08:58:01  
Ah ha! Thanks Allan. Now, can you tell me, is that just loose sitting there, or is there some sort of down pressure created somehow? The term "spring" confuses me on how it's supposed to be... "springy"



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Allan In NE

03-16-2008 09:49:37




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 Re: Here is a critical question... in reply to Mike CA, 03-16-2008 09:46:00  
When ya flip it over against the rod and then "lift the rod over the stop" the little spring "squeezes" together against it's own "U" shape.

Clear as mud, huh?

Allan



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Mike CA

03-16-2008 09:39:31




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 Re: Here is a critical question... in reply to Mike CA, 03-16-2008 08:58:01  

Janicholson said: ...Place the new spring on the existing pivot..


Jim, there is no pivot. Right now there is nothing there. Is the pivot the rivet, or do I need to get a piece of metal to make a pivot?
Right now I'm not sure what the piece is supposed to look like, or how it works. The one at the salvage yard is in poor shape. So making one would be fine, but I'm more or a visual guy.

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Allan In NE

03-16-2008 09:40:53




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 Re: Here is a critical question... in reply to Mike CA, 03-16-2008 09:39:31  
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Janicholson

03-16-2008 09:33:13




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 Re: Here is a critical question... in reply to Mike CA, 03-16-2008 08:58:01  
The little flat spring is easily manufactured from a piece of metal banding strap. First anneal the strap by getting a 3-1/2" piece of it red hot then gently cooling it from that temp by taking the torch away slowly so the red color dims down to red/brown, then finally goes dark. This should take 3 or four minutes. keep the thing cooling in that same way for another 2 to 3 min until the torch is not on it at all. Now the metal is as soft as you are going to get it without an annealing furnace, and far more time.
Cut the strip with tin snips to the width of the original. The original spring is a bit too short, and they break. They were always flipping upside down in the slot, and ineffective (they were also riveted in, and pretty much useless. Make this one so that the runner part that slides on the rod is about 1-1/2" long, make the rounded bend and come back to the point that is in the middle of the runner part. use a duck bill pliers, or small tip needlenose pliers, and curl a hook to go on the pivot. Place the new spring on the existing pivot, without the rod in place. it should press down almost to the bottom of the slot. Now form the curl on the pivot nice and tight. (open end of main rounded part faces away from operator, so one's knuckles do not encounter the sharp end of the spring) When it is tight, temper the spring by heating it to red again, and quenching it immediatly with a glass of cold water. submerging it (if off the tractor) or dousing the water on it if installed. Wuth paint, it is good. JimN

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Pete in NC

03-16-2008 09:28:07




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 Re: Here is a critical question... in reply to Mike CA, 03-16-2008 08:58:01  
Mike, You have to grind off the truss head rivet and install spring part number 15137E with new rivet 107162. I don't know if these are available from Case/IH. The entire bracket is part number 5013EAX as marked on my 52 H. I would think you could make a spring out of rolled spring steel cut and shaped to the right size.

Pete



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Farmer Bob

03-16-2008 09:27:35




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 Re: Here is a critical question... in reply to Mike CA, 03-16-2008 08:58:01  
The spring is held into the yoke of the arm by a rivet. I've simply ground off one end of the rivot, punched the rivot out and then insert the replacement spring using a new rivot. It may be easier to just replace the whole arm (Providing it has a good spring)by removing the one in the salvage yard and mounting it to your steering support post. I've also made new springs using some thin spring steel I salvaged from an old grandfathers clock.

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GeneMO

03-16-2008 09:15:10




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 Re: Here is a critical question... in reply to Mike CA, 03-16-2008 08:58:01  

Mike, can you take off the entire cast bracket. I have look at that probably a million time, but without being at the tractor now I am trying to think. Doesn't that bracket bolt onto the light post?

Sorry I am not more help.


Gene



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