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auxiliary valve repair 656

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Jerry Gilliam

03-15-2008 10:38:31




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Allen, i figure you or others might have had experience on these blocks. My 656 that I am fixing up has dual remote hydraulics which work fine, BUT one of the auxiliary valves is leaking from around the large hex nut on the outside of the block indicating to me I have an inside leak? Probably an o-ring?? I can pop off the cap but I see a slot head screw? inside. I think from reading this is an adjusting screw and I really don't want to move it. Can someone tell me if I have to remove the block before tearing apart or what to expect.

Jerry

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Owen Aaland

03-15-2008 18:32:18




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 Re: auxiliary valve repair 656 in reply to Jerry Gilliam, 03-15-2008 10:38:31  
The valves can be resealed without taking the blocks off the tractor. You need to clean everything around the valves very clean. If you can not do that do not even try to take them apart. Do one valve at a time. Do not mix parts. The spools are a select fit with it's valve body.

To replace the o-rings you need to slide the spool out the back. Begin by disconnecting the front of the spool from the lever. Next, unscrew the pipe with the cap and plug still on the end, With the spool and pipe assembly removed from the valve body, unscrew the big plug from the pipe. Clamp the front end of the spool in a vice with the end with the adjusting screw facing up. Clamp only to flat side on the front of the spool. Any damage to the machined surfaces of the spool can destroy the valve assembly.

Remove the adjusting screw, spring, ball seat and four steel balls. Remove the outer pipe and detent sleeve. Using a 1/2 x 20 (NF) cap screw with nut, install it where you removed the adjustment screw. Tighten the nut on the top of the spool and use the bolt to remove the remaining part of the detent assembly. The o-ring that is leaking is inside this piece. The pin an o-ring are replaced as an assembly. Replace the other o-rings. There is one located the the front of the block that can be replaced with the spool removed. Assemble everything in the reverse order you used to take them apart.

Adjust the detent screw so that the detents will hold the valve on causing the hydraulic relief valve to open. Then back the screw out 1/4 turn at a time until the detents allow the valve to return to center when maximum hydraulic pressure is achieved. You can set them lower if you want, just make sure they recenter themselves rather than stay on high pressure,

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Jerry Gilliam

03-16-2008 18:54:22




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 Re: auxiliary valve repair 656 in reply to Owen Aaland, 03-15-2008 18:32:18  
if you are still reading this message i am a little confused about the reference you made to the pin and O-ring that is leaking replaced as an assembly?? If you look at my first message and see the pin you are referring, please let me know the number on the picture. I think you might be referring to # 8? Do you buy a over haul pkg from IH or what?

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Jerry



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Owen Aaland

03-17-2008 02:45:42




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 Re: auxiliary valve repair 656 in reply to Jerry Gilliam, 03-16-2008 18:54:22  
Replace item #8; Piston assembly, unlatching Part # 396582R1. That is the little pin with the tiny O-ring installed. Also replace item #s 14,17, and 19, all O-rings. Part numbers: 359158R1, 380839R1, and 395278R1.

The pin assembly number I believe is still a good number. The O-ring numbers will have to be crossed to current part numbers.



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Jerry Gilliam

03-17-2008 14:27:11




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 Re: auxiliary valve repair 656 in reply to Owen Aaland, 03-17-2008 02:45:42  
Hey Owen: Sorry to bother you again. Was talking to the IH dealer (55miles away) and he said he had all the parts including the pin assembly you talked about. He said the last number 3952278R1 was a spring number. Could you take a look and let me know what O-ring or part you meant to indicate or did you recommend the spring?
Thanks
Jerry



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Owen Aaland

03-17-2008 15:45:03




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 Re: auxiliary valve repair 656 in reply to Jerry Gilliam, 03-17-2008 14:27:11  
I had put down item # 19. It should be item # 9, part number 253070R1. Thanks for catching my error.



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Jerry Gilliam

03-18-2008 08:35:23




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 Re: auxiliary valve repair 656 in reply to Owen Aaland, 03-17-2008 15:45:03  
Nope. THANK YOU

Jerry



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Jerry Gilliam

03-17-2008 07:48:08




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 Re: auxiliary valve repair 656 in reply to Owen Aaland, 03-17-2008 02:45:42  
Dog Gone It Man. Thanks. You have spent some time on this for me and I appreciate it. You are part of this board that makes restoring and keep running these older models fun. Thanks to all who support this board with their knowledge and experience. I have a 444, 460, 656 and the older mechanics at IH have all retired or have departed. This board is the life saver.
Thanks again!!

Jerry Gilliam

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Jerry Gilliam

03-16-2008 10:14:59




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 Re: auxiliary valve repair 656 in reply to Owen Aaland, 03-15-2008 18:32:18  
Thanks so much for your reply. I will take a look today at the block and try to see if I read you correctly. Again Thanks so much

Jerry



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Amarillo Doug

03-15-2008 13:27:53




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 Re: auxiliary valve repair 656 in reply to Jerry Gilliam, 03-15-2008 10:38:31  
Jerry,I have resealed many of the valves on IH and Farmalls and they are not that hard to repair.The adjustment screw that you see is the detent pressure adjusting screw and Allen is right there is a small Oring that is leaking.If you want to tackle it Email me a douglasmcgalliard@yahoo.com and I will talk you through it.Doug



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Jerry Gilliam

03-15-2008 14:06:39




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 Re: auxiliary valve repair 656 in reply to Amarillo Doug, 03-15-2008 13:27:53  
Thanks so much. Jerry



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Allan In NE

03-15-2008 11:32:58




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 Re: auxiliary valve repair 656 in reply to Jerry Gilliam, 03-15-2008 10:38:31  
Hi Jer,

This is just my opinion.

If it is just "weeping/slow drip", I don't even mess with the darned things and just let the gizmo seep.

However, if it is really running out of there, yeah, probably an o-ring inside and it's probably that tiny, little bitty one dead in the center.

I'm not smart enough to go pokin' around in there; I take 'em to the local Red Shop for a kit.

Is the rubber plug missing from the little adjustment hole in the end-cap?

Allan

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Jerry Gilliam

03-15-2008 13:09:33




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 Re: auxiliary valve repair 656 in reply to Allan In NE, 03-15-2008 11:32:58  
I'm not sure. When you take the plug(Cap, solid metal) by popping it out of the large hex nut, you can see the sloted screw plug. I'm scared to take a lot out as those detent balls could come flying out. I thought maybe you could pull the inner sleeve out exposing the smaller piston without moving the adjustment screw. I don't know if you would be better off unscrewing the whole tube off or not. Wish someone here who has worked on the internal 0 rings would reply. Thanks for your reply Allen.

Jerry

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