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H with Alternator acid coming out of battery top

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tackhammertime

03-14-2008 04:58:52




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Guys I put an alternator on my H 6 months ago and it works great I think. I bought it from the Ford tractor dealer (1wire alternator) ran 1 wire from alternator to amp gauge then to the to the + side of battery. Heres whats happening. After starting the gauge shows charging then it drops to normal like it should all is ok there, but then after I turn off tractor if I don't disconnect the - terminal from the battery acid runs out the top like its boiling it out in an over charge situation. Any ideas?

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Allan In NE

03-14-2008 06:28:56




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 Re: H with Alternator acid coming out of battery top in reply to tackhammertime, 03-14-2008 04:58:52  
When you straped that alternator in there, did you convert the rest of the system to a 12 volt negative ground also?

Allan



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Janicholson

03-14-2008 06:17:17




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 Re: H with Alternator acid coming out of battery top in reply to tackhammertime, 03-14-2008 04:58:52  
THere are two possible realities.
THe first is that the battery could have a bad cell. This is possible even with a new battery. The second is that the alternator could have a bad primary diode allowing voltage to flow back into the stator windings.

One wire systems are somewhat less problemfree when compared to the 3 wire Delcos, or Hitachi.

Three system checks are needed. The first is to determine the actual charging voltage.
Running at High Idle (wide open) check the battery voltage across the battery terminals (use a analog meter if possible, they are better when looking at old unshielded machines)
The charge voltage into a fully charged battery should be between 14.2, and 14.7 volts. Anything over 15 volts is an issue with the internal regulator in the alternator.
If OK, check the discharge of current into the alternator (bad diode as above. With it not running, and all wires connectd, remove the wire connecting the alternator to the wiring harness at the alternator, be careful, this wire is connected to the battery and cannot be touched to grounded things. (doing this at that location reduces the chance of making a spark where hydrogen could be found near the battery. If this wire makes a spark when touched to the post you took it off of, the diode bridge in the alternator is bad. If it does not spark, use a test light (not the meter) to see if current is flowing between the wire and the terminal you removed it from. The light should connect to the wire, and be touched to the terminal. If no light, not even a glow, the diodes are probably OK.
Next check the battery (a hydormeter (specific gravity reading of each cell is great, they should be equal in specific gravity from cell to cell, and represent the state of charge of the battery from a chart) OR after running check the temperature of each cell with a glass thermometer to determine differences. Be careful with acid. The temps should be just a bit higher (10 to 15 degrees in the center cells, and a bit less on the two end cells due to being exposed to more outside cooling. If celld are 30 to 50 degrees or more different, the battery is bad.
Good luck, and keep us informed as to what you find. JimN

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tn terry t

03-14-2008 05:52:51




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 Re: H with Alternator acid coming out of battery top in reply to AndrewFromNS, 03-14-2008 04:58:52  
i'd almost bet that darned one wire alternator is the problem cause more than once ive thrown those things in the junk pile they are bad about pulling current even when not running take that wire off alternator and see if that dont fix your boiling troubles



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Brownie450

03-14-2008 05:49:17




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 Re: H with Alternator acid coming out of battery top in reply to tackhammertime, 03-14-2008 04:58:52  
To isolate the problem, remove the "hot" wire from the alternator the next time you shut the tractor off. If there is a large spark[ lots of current] suspect one or more diodes shorted in the rectifier bank. If there is no sparking, there is a short at some other point in the system. However, there isn't that much of a system on an H. Just about bet it's a shorted diode.



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mkirsch

03-14-2008 05:27:00




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 Re: H with Alternator acid coming out of battery top in reply to tackhammertime, 03-14-2008 04:58:52  
Actually, it sounds like you might have a pretty good short circuit there. The acid is boiling because the battery is DIScharging, not overcharging.



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