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Another 50 T Baler question

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farmerwannabe

03-11-2008 14:13:43




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I was offered a 50T baler with it's own engine and a decent looking hay rake for $500. The baler looks OK, but doesn't have a provision for a front wheel like is mentioned elsewhere in discussions. It seems the majority of people on here don't like this baler, but I guess I was wondering if it would be worthwhile to get me started baling my own hay. I have about 40 acres total to bale with it being grass hay. I currently have a little Allis B, but am looking at an IH model H as well. Thanks for the advice, as always.

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jhb

03-13-2008 03:39:59




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 Re: Another 50 T Baler question in reply to farmerwannabe, 03-11-2008 14:13:43  
I have a IH 46 baler at Dubuque, Iowa that is a better baler for 495. Always shedded and lots of life remaining. 56.583.3714



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GordoSD

03-12-2008 17:30:51




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 Re: Another 50 T Baler question in reply to farmerwannabe, 03-11-2008 14:13:43  
If you are going to produce hay off of 40 acres do a little math. You ought to get at least 3 tons per acre, dry land farming. You should be able to sell it at upwards of 80 dollars. That's about ten grand gross sales. For one year. Any good piece of equipment should last you 15 plus years. You can depreciate it on your IRS if you buy good modern equipment. Buy the right stuff the FIRST time. Don't be penny wise and pound foolish. Get a good 75 hp tractor with live pto,(an 886 would be a fine machine) a good haybine. The decide if need round bales or squares. You can pick up a fairly modern NH 273 0r 275 for about 1500 dollars and it will do the small squares fine. Figure 20k for all three, tractor, haybine and baler.. Stay away from those old chain round balers. Get a bank loan if you have to , but if you are going to do this for profit, get the right equipment. If not, just rent the land out and watch how the renter does it. He won't be piddling around there for 2-3 days putting up sm sq bales, he raked with a side delivery! If you try to do this with a 1200 dollarH, a 500 dollar antique baler, and some junk for a rake and mower, you will end up with a lot of rained on, non crimped, dried up, worthless hay.

Gordo

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Ted(MD)

03-12-2008 11:46:10




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 Re: Another 50 T Baler question in reply to farmerwannabe, 03-11-2008 14:13:43  
We baled for 30 years with a 50T. It has a cub engine that still runs good. We have not used it since the mid 80s. We pulled it with an H until we got an M which was able to handle it better along with the wagon we pulled behind it. It is a neat old machine that I hope to restore some day but it was a happy day when it was finally replaced with a new new holland.



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Farmboy856

03-12-2008 04:17:30




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 Re: Another 50 T Baler question in reply to farmerwannabe, 03-11-2008 14:13:43  
I was helping a cousin of mine clean up a shed recently and I found the front caster-wheel setup for the front of a 50-T baler. He would probably sell it, as he doesn't have the baler any more. I had ideas of buying it from him, as the wheel/fork reminded me of a single front on a Super C and I thought I might be able to adapt it. I'm located in SE Indiana.



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Chuck46

03-11-2008 21:14:30




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 Re: Another 50 T Baler question in reply to farmerwannabe, 03-11-2008 14:13:43  
Wannabeafarmer? You are thinking of going down the wrong road in the wrong direction. If you have 40 acres of hay you should be planning on making more money on it this year than others will with $5.00 corn. I think you can. I have baled hay for 56 years, it would be 58 but Uncle Sam didn't have any for me those two years. I started twisting wires on a Case hand tie, believe me that is a memory nobody wants to relive. Why would you want to waste your time trying to rehabiletate a baler of that same era? And it would be ridiculous to try that behind a H. If you have not already the first thing you should plan on is broadcasting as much nitogen and potash as you think is economicaly feasible. Then find a H or any other dependable tractor with a wide front and a haybine in good enough shape to cut 120 acres this year. Only use a rake as a last resort. I remember well a year I had a beautiful crop of arlington red clover and orchird grass, but the clover had gone down and tangled. I started cutting one morning with the H, a 115 side mounted mower and an Owatonna conditioner behind. Dad was cultivating corn in the next field with the MD. The divider at the end of the sickle could not seperate the swath and the the conditioner would try to take both and couldn't. I was having a very hard time, mid morning I noticed Dad had left. Just before noon he came to the field with his 350DU and a new IH 990 haybine. That was absolutely one of the best machines we ever bought. The hay drying in the windrow without raking improves the quality. If you have the help an desire to use a small square baler I agree completely, I baled between 21 and 22 thousand bales last year. Horse people are a good market and they difinetly prefer small squares, but make sure it is clean and bright with no mold that is why you should have a haybine. Good balers are fairly plentiful and cheap, any of the medium sized ones made in the seventy's would be a much better choice. If you like IH look for a 37,47,430,440,435 or445. An H will handle any of them and they will make the best shaped bales of any. That also means a lot to the buyer. I wish you the best of luck and hope you do make more than $5.00 corn, Chuck

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mkirsch

03-12-2008 05:51:22




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 Re: Another 50 T Baler question in reply to Chuck46, 03-11-2008 21:14:30  
Chuck46, I personally don't think anybody will be making any more money than in years past. Sure the prices of commodities like corn are up, but the price of fertilizer is WAY up, the price of fuel is WAY up. For a while here the price of milk was about double, but the price of feed more than doubled in the same time period.



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kirby Warfield

03-11-2008 18:29:26




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 Re: Another 50 T Baler question in reply to farmerwannabe, 03-11-2008 14:13:43  
Most 50-T"s were equipped with the Contential Y-69 engine,although some later models had the C-60 (Cub) power unit.Bought many for the engine.They worked okay if you didn"t force them-All older IH balers were inclined to tie better with uniform twine,if twine had "Thin spots" the twine would wrap around the bill hook.The single front wheel was an option to reduce drawbar weight-made them a BEAR to back up!$500.00 seems a little high to me,though.

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randy hall

03-11-2008 18:19:44




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 Re: Another 50 T Baler question in reply to farmerwannabe, 03-11-2008 14:13:43  
very few 50-t balers had the front caster wheel option around here. the one my grampa had didn't have one. it was a very dependable baler. just not very fast by todays standard at forty five plunger strokes a minute.



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Don L C

03-11-2008 17:05:04




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 Re: Another 50 T Baler question in reply to farmerwannabe, 03-11-2008 14:13:43  
Back in the late '40s we bailed our hay with a 50T IH bailer..... its all we needed fokes are not satisfied to-day.....they think they need 100hp tractors and large equipment.....

If its in good shape go for it.....we pulled the hay wagon behind..... it should hav a hitch and a bail shoot to put the bales near the front of the wagon bed.....

As far as the wheel on front that was a option.....OK on level ground but they will "jack knife" on down hill grades.....
I think the engine is the same as theFarmall A and C

Level ground the Farmall H will be OK....the Farmall M would be better...a must on hilly fields.....

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Farmallb

03-13-2008 19:20:44




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 Re: Another 50 T Baler question in reply to Don L C, 03-11-2008 17:05:04  
Gramdpa had a either 45 or 50T bailer with the B or Cub engine. It didnt have a front wheel either, but a screw attached to a lARGE wheel to raise and lower the touongue. On hilly ground where we lived he used a 50 A JD He said, when going down hill and turning a corner, it looked like the bailer was trying to grab the A LOL



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farmerwannabe

03-12-2008 15:12:49




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 Re: Another 50 T Baler question in reply to Don L C, 03-11-2008 17:05:04  
Thanks for the replies guys. It"s helpful, as always. AND I thoroughly enjoy hearing stories of farming "back in the day".



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Hugh Morton

03-18-2008 08:40:05




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 Re: Another 50 T Baler question in reply to farmerwannabe, 03-12-2008 15:12:49  
I spent quite a few years helping my dad bale with a 50 T International in West Central Indiana. We got to where we had near 100 Herefords, (and some corn and bean acreage to boot), so we did a lot of bales each season. Ours did not have the optional front wheel. I remember that there was so much tongue weight on our JD 50's drawbar that the whole unit would bounce up and down when it sat idling, due to the reciprocating motion of the baler. I also remember that the Cub engine was very hard to start when it was hot, so we got to where we did not stop the engine when we stopped for lunch. (I heard old-timers say the same of Fordson tractors.) There was a very short crank that went on the output shaft of the engine, and I was sure I was going to have a heart attack (in my teens!) from cranking over that engine. (Their later model had a larger C engine with electric start.) It would start great when cold, though. The thing I liked best was that you could easily run up the tractor's ground speed when the windows were light, and slow way down when the hay was heavy, due to the independent Cub engine. This doesn't work with a PTO baler. I'm starting to do some fencing so I can buy a few head of cattle, would like to buy a usable 50T or similar if I can find one.

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