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Laws of Physics And The MW Governor

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Red Mist

02-29-2008 06:05:21




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Howdy, boys. I see these M&W governors for sale from time to time, and the seller always says they add power and make a tremendous difference in the performance of the tractor - working or pulling. Can somebody please explain that? I mean, you've still got the same bore, stroke, cam, compression ratio, carburetor, ignition and rpm; where does the additional power come from? If it gives better THROTTLE RESPONSE, I can accept that. But, not more power. To me, installing an M&W is like putting a 16 year old boy behind the wheel of your new Corvette and saying, "Well, it sure is running faster now!" Don't take me wrong; I'm not being argumentative - just trying to understand how the M&W creates more power, or the illusion of more power, when the internals of the engine are unchanged. Thanks to all for sharing your knowledge. mike

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NDS

02-29-2008 18:23:02




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 Re: Laws of Physics And The MW Governor in reply to Red Mist, 02-29-2008 06:05:21  
Govener will not add to maximum horse power but tractor with good fast acting govener will do more heavy work than a tractor with lazy govener any day by keeping RPMs up when tractor starts to load up.



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MN Rick

02-29-2008 11:10:09




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 Re: Laws of Physics And The MW Governor in reply to Red Mist, 02-29-2008 06:05:21  
Jim explained it very well, much like the conversation you and I had awhile back about it. I've had more than one fellow tell me his M&W governor added 5hp to his tractor. I've tried on my own dyno to prove or disprove it, but the truth is that a dyno is only as honest as the fellow running it. They were named "M&W add-power governor" which would be false advertising if they didnt add some power. Never had a corporation lie before, right? I never bought a new one, but it seems to me to having heard somewhere that like their sleve and piston sets, the 4-weight governor came with a different jet for the carb as well. If that were the case, installing them as a kit at the same time could have added a few ponies. I have no experience with them when they were new, but would like input from someone who did. Anybody?

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Bob M

02-29-2008 10:28:06




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 Re: Laws of Physics And The MW Governor in reply to Red Mist, 02-29-2008 06:05:21  
Mike - You pretty much answered your own question with your phrase “the illusion of power” near the end of your post!

As Jim and the others point out below, the M&W governor is more sensitive (has less droop) than the stock IHC governor. This makes the tractor feel more “snappy” under changes in load. Ie. it responds more quickly as load is increased or decreased. It also holds RPM within a somewhat narrower range through load changes. And it causes the throttle to go wide open sooner as the engine become fully loaded. Combined this gives the operator the sensation of “more power”. But under full load conditions, once both gov’s have driven the carb wide open there’s no difference whatsoever in power.

Incidentally I have two Super M’s – one with an M&W and the other a stock governor. The M&W indeed “feels” like it has a bit more power. OTOH under slow speed/light load conditions the M&W has a tendency to surge or “hunt” occasionally – especially when the weather is very cold.

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Janicholson

02-29-2008 06:35:24




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 Re: Laws of Physics And The MW Governor in reply to Red Mist, 02-29-2008 06:05:21  
The only way a governor can assist actual power is to be more responsive to load. Thus opening the throttle wider faster to keep engine RPM farther into the High Idle zone when the throttle control lever is at the stop. (of course if it allows higher RPM this would be different, and I assume original high Idle.
Example: ----If---- an IH governor opened 15 degrees of more throttle when 50 RPM was dropped, and was full open (from high Idle) at 100 RPM drop, and we compared that to a different governor (because I have no data on any governors) that was opening 25 degrees at 50 RPM drop, and full open at 70 RPM drop, The second governor would be more responsive in the effort to keep the RPM up above rated load RPM.
Ith primary difficulty is dampening the tendency to surge when the governor is super responsive. I believe the M&W is well dampened and not much would change in normal operation, the true PTO RPM might require slightly lower throttle control lever position to maintain RPM under light load. this would not actually change the effective throttle plate opening, but could make it seem like there was more power.

Old cruse controls on cars were like that, they let the rpm (speed) sag some befor compensating. New vehicles are so precise that the speed stays nearly perfectly at the setting until the mountain being climed pulls it down to the point that the throttle is wide open. Then the speed will continue to decline untill the engine reaches its peak load rating where it will be level for a while (unless the garde gets even steeper. I hope this helps, JimN

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Andrew Z

02-29-2008 06:28:56




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 Re: Laws of Physics And The MW Governor in reply to Red Mist, 02-29-2008 06:05:21  
Doesnt create more power just adds more response to the engine. We have a Thompson Rocket anouther after market gov. and it is very sensetive to any changing conditons. example when driving in say 1 even and hit a root sticking up 1" or so the engine will respond to that. What i would say is that they better manange the carb. But they dont really make anymore power. As for the pulling aspect theres pros and cons. When you want the engine to lug down to grip, it doesnt really want to compeared to the stock one. But then again when you want more throttle its instant!!

Andrew

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TractormanNC

02-29-2008 07:01:29




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 Re: Laws of Physics And The MW Governor in reply to Andrew Z, 02-29-2008 06:28:56  
Hey Andrew,
I presume that Thompson Rocket governor is on an H or M. Are they still available? If so where did you get it? Shoot me an email please. Thanks,
Leonard



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