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nates90

02-27-2008 06:59:52




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I was wondering how a T/A works as far as under a pull and freewheeling. If it is a hydraulic T/A, I dont understand how a tractor can be used to Pull something just fine and be abil to spin the tires gripping for traction, but then when you go down a hill it will want to freewheel, is there a different set of clutchs or the MCV isnt working right or what.




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K.B.-826

02-27-2008 11:42:05




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 Re: T/A question in reply to nates90, 02-27-2008 06:59:52  
Sounds like you're asking about the hydraulic TA used in the bigger (706-3688) tractors. It is totally different from the mechanical TA (Super MTA-686). In the mechanical TA, you have a clutch, a planetary gearset, and a ramp/roller. In direct drive, the clutch locks the whole unit together, and power flows straight through. When in TA, the clutch unlocks, the input shaft drives the planetary, which is where the gear reduction occurs. The ramp and roller now hold the outside of the planetary stationary, preventing it from spinning around the input shaft. The ramp and roller can only work one way though, which is why tractors with this unit freewheel downhill when in TA. With the hydraulic TA, there is no planetary. You just have two sets of gears, one for direct and one for low, like in an ordinary transmission. The gears are in constant mesh. In direct drive, hydraulic pressure causes a clutch pack to lock the drive gear to the input shaft from the main clutch. The drive gear drives the driven gear attached to the transmission shaft, and power flows on to the speed transmission (gears 1,2,3,and 4). When the lever is pulled back, the hyd. pressure dumps out of the direct drive clutch pack. The gearset for TA range works in the same way, exept there is no hyd. clutch pack locking the drive gear to the clutch shaft, this is done with a sprauge, which is a mechancal one-way (overrunning) clutch similar in operation to the ramp and roller found in the mechanical TA. The sprauge will only lock up in one direction. This too would allow for freewheeling, so a hydraulic brake pack is used to help hold the TA drive gear to the clutch shaft when going downhill. The sprauge on anything older than the 86 series was really too small, and the brake pack on any model does not stand up to abuse, such as using the TA to downshift for engine braking, as in flying in off of the road with a heavy load behind you and pulling back the TA to slow down. These two parts are the reason for most TA failures. If you have a hydraulic TA that slips in TA, the sprauge is shot, and if you have one that freewheels downhill in TA, the brake pack is shot. Be sure to double-check your linkage from the TA lever to the MCV for correct adjustment, but I'd be surprised if your brake pack isn't the problem

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nates90

02-27-2008 13:46:54




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 Re: T/A question in reply to K.B.-826, 02-27-2008 11:42:05  
What does it mean when a hydraulic TA freewheels in both high and low, but both high and low work pulling?



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Theman

02-27-2008 08:49:38




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 Re: T/A question in reply to nates90, 02-27-2008 06:59:52  
To specifically answer your question, yes, there are more than one clutches in the T/A. One obviously puts the T/A into service. The other acts as an overrun clutch to allow part of the planetary gearset to turn faster than normal. Simplified, it is just like part of the automatic transmission in an automobile that allows it to coast. You might try Googling for a graphical explanation.



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Marty K

02-27-2008 08:29:23




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 Re: T/A question in reply to nates90, 02-27-2008 06:59:52  
The T/A clutch and planet gears only drive in one direction. It is not a "locked" drivetrain condition like the standard transmission gearset when the T/A is not engaged.



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Allan In NE

02-27-2008 07:05:05




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 Re: T/A question in reply to nates90, 02-27-2008 06:59:52  
The hydraulics are only used for the "shifting" function and to hold the "overrunning" clutches.

Power flow is all mechanical.

Allan



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