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Super A Wiring ????

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Ed S

02-24-2008 12:19:14




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Does a 1948 need a resistor to drop the 12v to 6v for the points?
Is their any diagrams other than the Parts & Owners books for a new one wire alternator system.
We have a new complete wire harness from Brillman.
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Ed S

02-24-2008 14:04:49




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 Re: Super A Wiring ???? in reply to Ed S, 02-24-2008 12:19:14  
We got it figured out.
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Bob

02-24-2008 12:38:40




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 Re: Super A Wiring ???? in reply to Ed S, 02-24-2008 12:19:14  
If it has a distributor (rather than a mag), it needs either a TRUE 12-Volt coil (such as a NAPA 14SB) OR a resistor ahead of the original 6-Volt coil. NEVER feed power to a MAG!

Do yourself a favor, and use a standard "3-wire" delco alternator, rather than a "one-wire" abomination!

Bob Melville has GREAT wiring diagrams at the site linked below.

THIS works, as well:

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P and R Pete

02-24-2008 14:10:45




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 Re: Super A Wiring ???? in reply to Bob, 02-24-2008 12:38:40  
Confusion!
(Forgive me, Ed, for jumping in on your thread)
And pardon my ignorance...
In the diagram above, I see a wire going to a 'voltage regulator'. I thought alternators had internal regulators.
And I have one of those 'one-wire abominations'. The way it came when I bought it. I'm in the middle of a teardown. Now would be the time to switch, when the redhead wouldn't notice a little more money going toward new parts. Can you explain why a 3-wire is better?
And I have no 'diode' in-line anywhere that I can see. Believe I was told there's one in my 12-volt coil?
If I switch, I'll be back, because I'm going to need a tutorial when I'm putting things back together. I never learned much about electricity. I regret it now.

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Bob

02-24-2008 23:01:57




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 Pete... in reply to P and R Pete, 02-24-2008 14:10:45  
Pete,

When doing a conversion to an alternator, the output wire from the alternator can be connected to the wire FORMERLY connected to the "BATT" terminal on the old voltage regulator that was used with the generator. The actual old voltage regulator is NOT used.

A "3-wire" alternator will begin to charge at lower RPM's than a "one-wire" alternator. SOME "one-wire" alternators are more prone to slowly discharge the battery during periods of non-use than a standard "3-wire" alternator. "3-wire alternators are generally CHEAPER than the "one-wire" units. (I have used MANY $10 "recycled units in old tractor conversions.) The alternators were designed and sold by GM as "3-wire" units. The one-wire units are an aftermarket invention to make it "easy" for electrically-challenged folks to get a system up and running, with some tradeoffs.

The diode has NOTHING to do what what's in the coil, or it's resistance.

It is to prevent the engine from continuing to run when the ignition switch is turned "off", AND to prevent damage to the alternator's internal components. You need to use a diode, OR an "idiot light" OR a resistor (about 10 Ohms, 10 Watts) in the lead to the #1 "excite" terminal on the alternator. Any ONE of those three options will work, and work equally well.

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Ed S

02-24-2008 16:35:50




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 Re: Super A Wiring ???? in reply to P and R Pete, 02-24-2008 14:10:45  
Get Bob to explain it.
We had too many wires and had to add a jumper wire to get it right. Our one wire new alternator worked finally.



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