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Will a 756 cab fit a 656 row crop?

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Darren In Pesot

02-15-2008 17:29:15




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I have a line on a 756/856 cab, but I have a 656 row crop. Any chance of that cab fitting on my tractor?

If so, what brackets etc should I check for if I buy it?

Thanks,

Darren




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Hugh MacKay

02-16-2008 03:28:41




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 Re: looking at your tractor in reply to Darren In Pesotum, 02-15-2008 17:29:15  
Darren: After looking at your tractor here are some of the problems and criteria we used in positioning cab on the 656. We hung cab from ceiling on chain blocks and backed the tractor under it, with fenders removed. The back window being too close to operator was not the only reason for choosing forward-rearward poistion. Had we moved it more forward it would have had to go 5" to clear and place the fuel cap inside the cab. I didn't want the fuel cap inside the cab.

Second was up or down position. We first thought of straightening the plarform where it rises at clutch and brake pedals, cutting a section out of those forward floor panels to allow the padals to come up through. Then positioning cab so door sills were level with the complete floor. Doing this would have required cutting portion out of cab cross member below the back window, so the 3 point hitch could raise to full height without striking cab. Problem with this lower position, some 3 point equipment I used were going to interfere with back of cab. Didn't really want to cut any material out of cab cross member. Then we hoisted cab so door sill was level with ends of floor where pedals make contact, hitch came up under cab cross member to just inside, view was still good all the way around as well as up and down. We fitted completely new mounts at rear between axle and cab, clamped around axle housing as opposed to bolting down like the fenders. For front cab mounts we used 1/2x3x3 angle iron coming out at an angle from the clutch housing. An upright bolted to housing, then a flat piece of angle went back at an angle to cab. We put a gusset in the angle of the two angle irons.

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Hugh MacKay

02-15-2008 23:45:02




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 Re: Will a 756 cab fit a 656 row crop? in reply to Darren In Pesotum, 02-15-2008 17:29:15  
Darren: What Allan means by diamond shape cab, they were about 16" wider at the top of fender level, than your current fenders, then tapered in at top and bottom giving a diamond appearence. They were not an IH cab, however were installed as factory equipment on 56 series tractors, also on some 66 series. The older cabs use on 06 tractors were straight wall, top to bottom, about same width as fenders on your tractor. There were also other aftermarket cabs used on 56 series tractors

I actually bought one of the diamond cabs from IH dealer, in 1975. It came from 1 of about a dozen 1066 tractors sold to a road dept. Road dept had specified ROPS cabs and these 1066 came with diamond shape or Excell was the name of it. I think the same design was licenced to several manufacturers, as I've seen the same Cab under different names, and on different makes of tractors.

Anyhow I installed that cab coming from a 1066, on my 656. I had to fabricate completely different cab mounts all 4 corners. As Allan said, the chassis is a different size between 656, and the larger tractors, and that chassis size is your biggest challange regardless of which cab you use. I had to fabricate all the floor parts. We ran out of time, tractor had to go to work, and I never did close it in around the 3 point hitch. That one around the hitch would have taken a bit of time, completely different as hitch rockshaft has to come up inside cab on 656. Either that or set cab forward and if you do that, the operators back and head will be against back window. 656 battery on the side also became a problem installing cab, you have to consider how it's going to be removed without removing the cab. In my case I wanted larger batteries than factory, thus I built battery boxes along engine frame rails ahead of cab, but I didn't have a loader on there.

It can be done, but is a lot of work.

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Allan In NE

02-15-2008 17:35:07




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 Re: Will a 756 cab fit a 656 row crop? in reply to Darren In Pesotum, 02-15-2008 17:29:15  
Depends on what make of cab it is. Cab will swap, however:

If it is an aftermarket cab, the mounts will be different.

If it is an ice-cream-box or a diamond the floor will have to be changed as well.

Either way, the cowling and engine separater parts are going to be different because these are two entirely different sized tractors.

Allan



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Darren In Pesotum

02-15-2008 18:42:02




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 Re: Will a 756 cab fit a 656 row crop? in reply to Allan In NE, 02-15-2008 17:35:07  
Ok pretend I'm an idiot (not very hard really) what is an ice cream box or a diamon and how would i recognize it.. is that a brand, or a style etc?

Thanks,

Darren

PS Just got a good deal (I think) on a 7 ft pto New Idea 518 snow blower on ebay!



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Allan In NE

02-15-2008 18:45:09




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 Re: Will a 756 cab fit a 656 row crop? in reply to Darren In Pesotum, 02-15-2008 18:42:02  
Darren,

Can you put up a picture of your tractor?

Allan



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Darren In Pesotum

02-15-2008 19:38:06




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 Re: Will a 756 cab fit a 656 row crop? in reply to Allan In NE, 02-15-2008 18:45:09  
Here it is:

third party image
third party image



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Bradusa

02-16-2008 09:07:42




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 Re: Will a 756 cab fit a 656 row crop? in reply to Darren In Pesotum, 02-15-2008 19:38:06  
I like that air cleaner intake..super



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Owen Aaland

02-15-2008 20:50:02




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 Re: Will a 756 cab fit a 656 row crop? in reply to Darren In Pesotum, 02-15-2008 19:38:06  
I see an ether starting assist system has been added to your tractor. You do not want not be using that with the glow plugs.



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Darren In Pesotum

02-16-2008 05:13:41




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 Re: Will a 756 cab fit a 656 row crop? in reply to Owen Aaland, 02-15-2008 20:50:02  
Ether assist.. where do you see that? I never noticed such a thing.



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Allan In NE

02-16-2008 05:29:19




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 Re: Will a 756 cab fit a 656 row crop? in reply to Darren In Pesotum, 02-16-2008 05:13:41  
It's the add-on either kit on the left side of your engine without a can installed. The bail is just hanging there empty.

What Owen means is that you sure don't wanna mix the glow plugs with either.

That really does look to be a nice little Hydro!

Allan



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Allan In NE

02-15-2008 20:29:49




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 Re: Will a 756 cab fit a 656 row crop? in reply to Darren In Pesotum, 02-15-2008 19:38:06  
Need a picture of the cab.

Nice tractor!

Allan



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Darren In Pesotum

02-16-2008 05:19:07




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 Re: Will a 756 cab fit a 656 row crop? in reply to Allan In NE, 02-15-2008 20:29:49  
Thanks, I bought that a while back after a lot of reading and questions to all the fine folks on this board. I have been thrilled with it.. does everything I need. I'm waiting for pics of the cab to show up.. I'll post em as soon as I get em.



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Darren In Pesotum

02-16-2008 05:24:32




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 Re: Will a 756 cab fit a 656 row crop? in reply to Darren In Pesotum, 02-16-2008 05:19:07  
third party image

This is the picture I have so far, but I suspect it's a brochure pic or something and not this actual cab. I'm waiting for som actual pictures...



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Hugh MacKay

02-16-2008 07:48:42




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 Re: Will a 756 cab fit a 656 row crop? in reply to Darren In Pesotum, 02-16-2008 05:24:32  
Darrin: No matter which cab you get from a large chassis 06,56 or 66 tractor, you will encounter the same problems as I did. I wasn't looking for a cab for my 656 in the fall of 1975. I already had a cab on my 1066 and on a Deere. The dealer offered me this new cab, been taken off a new 1066 before delivery complete with heat for $500. New cabs for a 656 back then were $1,500. plus. I could afford to do a bit of fabrication. That bit of fabrication turned out to be more than a bit.

IF I were to set out looking for a cab for a 656 in 2008, I'd look to one that came off a 656, 666, 544, or 1650-1550 Oliver or Cockshutt, 3020 Deere, etc, something with a similar size chassis.

The cab in your photo is small, I see you have a backhoe, thus you'll want elbo room. The diamond shape cabs do have elbo room at elbo height.

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Darren In Pesotum

02-16-2008 16:35:59




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 Re: Will a 756 cab fit a 656 row crop? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-16-2008 07:48:42  
Hugh,

Thanks so much for telling me about your experience with this potnetial project. I think I am going to let this cab pass, and wait until I can find one that is made to fit this tractor, or at least something of a more similar size. I have enough projects that are more work than I had anticipated... no need to add one more.. especially since winter is coming to a close this year.

Thanks also to everyone else who replied as well. If anyone is looking for such a cab, it is on ebay right now, and located in macinaw IL. Just search for IH cab. Warning though, despite several questions, the seller has not responded, so who knows what you might actually get.

If anyone has a cab that would fit my 656... I'm interested!

Darren

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Hugh MacKay

02-16-2008 17:05:57




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 Re: Will a 756 cab fit a 656 row crop? in reply to Darren In Pesotum, 02-16-2008 16:35:59  
Darren: If I were you I'd set my sights on a Year-A-Round cab. I believe that cab was sold under another name in the US. Allan would know the name. The Year-A-Round is wee bit shorter from front to back, than cabs used on large chassis tractors. Also the back cross member just below back window is up higher, gives a smaller back window. There are several 656, 666 around here with those and look sharp.

My cab looked sharp once installed, in fact looking at it I always liked it better than the ROPS cab on my 1066. Inside it had two level ledges about 8" wide and 18" long over each back wheel. But then maybe it was the 656, still my favourite tractor of all time. Well, these 350 hp articulateds are giving the 656 a run, as my favourite. I've been trying to talk Allan into an articulated, he should have one.

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Red Mist

02-15-2008 18:00:13




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 Re: Will a 756 cab fit a 656 row crop? in reply to Allan In NE, 02-15-2008 17:35:07  
Allan: So, are you saying it will swap, but it won't fit? 8^) (Just kidding.) mike



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Allan In NE

02-15-2008 18:08:11




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 Re: Will a 756 cab fit a 656 row crop? in reply to Red Mist, 02-15-2008 18:00:13  
LOL!

Just like loaders. Any loader will fit any tractor..... ....if ya have enough rod. :>)

Allan



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Darren In Pesotum

02-15-2008 18:43:29




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 Re: Will a 756 cab fit a 656 row crop? in reply to Allan In NE, 02-15-2008 18:08:11  
I have a friend and client that manufactures ag equipment and I'm sure he cringes whenver I call because it usually mean I need helpt welding something onto something else to make it fit whatever.... if it's steel, you can do anything with it.. just might take a while I guess...



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