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Historical question: kerosene, Distillate and oil dilution

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CenTexFarmall

02-12-2008 17:15:34




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My question, to those who have run on either or both fuels, is do you get problems with oil contamination from kerosene the way you do on distillate? i.e. If one were running on kerosene would you have to drain the oil down to the bottom plug and refill will clean oil to the top plug as with distillate.

In reading the operators manual (Super M) it doesn't seem to mention it specifically with regards to kerosene, so it piqued my interest.

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dej(jed)

02-13-2008 05:21:05




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 Re: Historical question: kerosene, Distillate and oil diluti in reply to CenTexFarmall, 02-12-2008 17:15:34  
It is was designed to run a Distillate. That is not Kero. A distilate is the left over product
from a crude refining operation. It is a combination of light ends and heavy ends. There is no consistency whatsoever. It will burn more or less like a diesel engine. It will also lay down a lot of carbon/ash in the engine.



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Bob Kerr

02-12-2008 22:35:57




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 Re: Historical question: kerosene, Distillate and oil diluti in reply to CenTexFarmall, 02-12-2008 17:15:34  
I have done extensive reasearch on the kero distillate fuels and have used Kero in My 10-20 and my F-12. Distillate it seems is nothing more than a poorly refined kerosene. The oil companys found they could sell a cheap tractor fuel that wouldn"t have to be as clean burning as kerosene which was used in lamps, stoves etc and had wicks that would gum up with poor grade kero. Tractors don"t use wicks so clean, crystal clear fuel was not nessesary. They could get more gallons of distillate from a barrel of oil than they could get kerosene from a barrel. Oil dillution was a simillar problem for both fuels. A few years back when gas shot up in the late 90s I used kero in my tractors since it was summer and the local station had not yet filled the kero tank with new higher priced kero. It worked ok, BUT with the additional cost of adding new oil everyday, I figured I really didn"t save anything. Oh well , It was fun to try it out and fun to hear people say, "what are you burning in that thing?" I put my F-12 on a dyno and ran both kero and gas and tested it one at a time with the settings for each done. It made the same HP on both, but I could lean the carb out on kero so it would use less fuel per hour. I knew a guy whos Dad ran pure straight from the well Oklahoma crude oil in a 10-20 back in the 30s. He said it worked good, but gunked up the spark plugs by noon so he would clean them up when he stopped for lunch and in the evening when he was done.

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CenTexFarmall

02-13-2008 11:50:04




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 Re: Historical question: kerosene, Distillate and oil diluti in reply to Bob Kerr, 02-12-2008 22:35:57  
It's interesting that you got the same HP on both fuels. You could probably run Jet A, but at the moment that certainly wouldn't be cheaper!

I'll have to ask the JD people what they do on oil dilution. The manual for our '46 "All Fuel" doesn't say a thing about it.

I remember someone talking about running "drip gas" in an engine. Apparently some kind of well head gas that could be collected and poured in.
That's some pretty light crude to run straight!
Even with the plug cleaning, I'd take a well that I could tap fuel from directly.

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randy hall

02-12-2008 17:20:46




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 Re: Historical question: kerosene, Distillate and oil diluti in reply to CenTexFarmall, 02-12-2008 17:15:34  
it would be worse with kerosine. the heavier the fuel the harder it is to vaporize. your tractor would need to be near boiling all the time to avoid too much oil dillution. you would still have to drain a quart out everyday and refill with new.



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